The DANGLE challenge

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froop:
Dare I ask what the experiment was?
Did he end up swimming sideways due to the extra 5lb, or was that to counter-balance whatever was in his watertight container?

An interesting experiment. He used an airtight container initially filled with about 5lbs of lead. Then throughout the dive, he added small amounts of water to offset the weight loss of the cylinder. The idea is to retain the same bouyancy throughout your dive. Heaven help you if the container floods in the first half of your dive.

Oh yes, requirements are that it must dangle on a rope about three feet below you to maintain both DF and increase drag. I'll see if I can find a photo.
 
tridacna:
An interesting experiment. He used an airtight container initially filled with about 5lbs of lead. Then throughout the dive, he added small amounts of water to offset the weight loss of the cylinder. The idea is to retain the same bouyancy throughout your dive.

Every diver already has a device to do that. It's called a "Buoyancy Compensator". And why did he need 5lb of lead in it to start with? I think I'll live a happy life knowing that this guy isn't my buddy.
 
froop:
I think I'll live a happy life knowing that this guy isn't my buddy.

Solo Diving is looking better all the time!
 
are you kidding? this is the perfect buddy? I need to bring him with me and just clip My stuff to HIS BC. less for me to carry
 
Vie:
Found this gentleman on www.frogkick.nl


LMAO...wow, now this guy's not planning on coming back for a long while
 
No no. No as stupid as you think. I'm afraid that your solution regarding the BC is the "inelegant" solution.

In theory, his thoughts are actually quite clever. Simple physics.

Remember that there is a difference in weight between starting and ending your dive. Specifically, the weight of the air consumed in your cylinder. For the sake of this argument, assume that you begin your dive neutrally bouyant. If you wish to remain so throughout the dive, you have to gain the exact amount of weight that your tank is losing. Otherwise, you get lighter reflected by most beginners who struggle to make their 20ft safety stop.

Now if you take a solid walled semi-sealed cylinder with you that is 5lbs bouyant. Add 5lbs of lead inside. Neutrally bouyant right? As you dive, you leak enough water into the cylinder to match the air being lost by the cylinder - you will remain neutrally bouyant. No question. If you could build a device that somehow matched gain to loss, it would be a neat device to have. Your overall bouyancy would only change based on the compressibility of your wetsuit.

His experiment was exactly that. It sorta worked. Difficult to match exact gains vs losses. Remember that only a crazy PhD inventor (he is exactly that) would even try this! My argument was that he should have done this in a pool. Not leaping from a boat into the ocean wth a jug of 5lb weights dangling from his waist!
 
Sounds to me like the BC is safer and more elegant than a 5 gallon tub and extra lead.

I can just imagine dragging that tub though a cave or other sensitive area!
 
For some reason ,, im drawn to the hypnotic effect of the case/etch-a-sketch thing. Very original, all in all I would give him an 8.5 for originality!
 
tridacna:
No no. No as stupid as you think. I'm afraid that your solution regarding the BC is the "inelegant" solution.

In theory, his thoughts are actually quite clever. Simple physics.

Remember that there is a difference in weight between starting and ending your dive. Specifically, the weight of the air consumed in your cylinder. For the sake of this argument, assume that you begin your dive neutrally bouyant. If you wish to remain so throughout the dive, you have to gain the exact amount of weight that your tank is losing. Otherwise, you get lighter reflected by most beginners who struggle to make their 20ft safety stop.

Now if you take a solid walled semi-sealed cylinder with you that is 5lbs bouyant. Add 5lbs of lead inside. Neutrally bouyant right? As you dive, you leak enough water into the cylinder to match the air being lost by the cylinder - you will remain neutrally bouyant. No question. If you could build a device that somehow matched gain to loss, it would be a neat device to have. Your overall bouyancy would only change based on the compressibility of your wetsuit.

His experiment was exactly that. It sorta worked. Difficult to match exact gains vs losses. Remember that only a crazy PhD inventor (he is exactly that) would even try this! My argument was that he should have done this in a pool. Not leaping from a boat into the ocean wth a jug of 5lb weights dangling from his waist!


Let's talk about some simple physics, shall we?

Water in water is neutrally buoyant, right? So in actuality he’s adjusting his buoyancy by venting a little air, not by adding water.

So what, right? Letting water in is the same as letting air out.

The difference is that all he’s really doing is venting air from the bottle instead of his BC.

My first though was that the only advantage to his bottle is that he’s bringing a small amount of non-breathing air to vent, instead of venting a small amount of his breathing air. But the amount of air being vented is really too small to worry with.

And, if he didn't take 5# off of his weight belt when he brought the container, he's carrying 5# extra, which means he added extra breathing air to his BC to get neutral at the beginning of the dive, which negates the small advantage I mentioned.

Or am I missing something?

Of course, this was just a test set-up, with the goal of an automatic BC. I remember hearing of an auto-adjusting BC that someone tried to bring to market, but it was unreliable and complicated. Sorry, I don't remember the details, but I'll bet the idea is already patented.

I'll stick with venting air from my BC.

Added later: The BC I was thinking of might have been made by Watergill. I know that they made a regulator that had a unique 'safety' device. It 'sensed' the divers breathing, and if it thought the diver wasn't breathing, it slowly added air to the BC to bring the corpse to the surface.
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/peregrine/

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