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THE CAVE movie, verdicts.
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No..wasn't me.
Santa:
No, it wasn't really, that's one of the reasons why I thought it was crazy.
Mhehheheh, I saw the sparkling yellow spilt fins of course, I have the same one with black color.
I'm not a teckie, but I thought teckies don't use split fins? Correct me if I'm wrong.
But these Hollywood guys should pay a little more attention to small obvious details.
I'm sure non divers can also notice the talking part.
The first guy who went into the cave alone was also quite disturbing me. At least he would need a companion, don't ya think?
I'm not a teckie, but I thought teckies don't use split fins? Correct me if I'm wrong.
But these Hollywood guys should pay a little more attention to small obvious details.
I'm sure non divers can also notice the talking part.
The first guy who went into the cave alone was also quite disturbing me. At least he would need a companion, don't ya think?
mattmexico
Contributor
Hey all
As one of the slaves helping to get the diving done it is interesting to hear what y'all thinking about the movie. I am unfortunatly living in Mexico and will haev to wait for a while, or even buy the DVD ( if there is one ) to judge what they have done to the awesome images I have seen when the stuff was shot in Romania and Mexico. Can't wait to see it ... even afetr reading the truly fascinating postings.....
Cave Diving for the Silver Screen
by Andreas W. Matthes
Cave diving in Romania is something not offered all the time and when friend, Underwater cave cinematographer and photographer Wes Skiles of Karst Production was asking me some years back during a NSS-CDS cave diving convention in Lake City, Florida if I like to go cave diving in Romania naturally I was curious and it turned out to be quite a cave diving experience indeed.
I have never heard of any cave diving in Romania and was intrigued when I was told that an international cave diving crew was assembled to help filming the adventure movie The Cave that is showing a cave exploration team discovering a large cave system in Romania. The first part of my involvement was to be four weeks filming in the Mediapro film studios in Romania and the second part four weeks of filming in the cave system of Dos Ojos in the Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico.
The underwater part of the movie was shot entirely on a Sony High Definition video system in a Light and Motion housing, costing together more money then I will ever earn in my life. The camera was connected via a fiber optic cable to the surface recording unit where the director had direct control over the images being shot and was able to talk to all the gaffers, stunt and safety divers, lighting personnel and riggers directly through an underwater communication system that led you to do what ever had to be done directly and immediately without any time delay.
That is where the adventure began. High end exploration cave equipment including Dive Rite arrow scooters and Inner Space Systems closed circuit Megadolon rebreathers dragging and steering large underwater sleds through cave passages when caves collapsed, boulders fell and large explosions happened underwater with enormous fire balls scorching the surface transpired in the process of making this intense movie.
The movie was shot at the Mediapro Studios in Buftea close to Bucharest, Romania with large set stages where dry caves were created as well as underwater caves. The cave diving scenes were shot in a large 2 million liter pool painted black with a large black tent on top of it. An underwater cave maze was created out of plastic in the 17 feet deep pool, painted, formed and filled with real rocks to make the illusion perfect. After four weeks of diving in the artificial cave it became a real cave to me, true enough since large parts were real overhead environment.
My job was to be a safety diving officer in charge of safety on topside when ever actors, stunt personnel or shooting activities transpired in or close to the water. Over 24 divers where on the underwater cave set at any given time, while preparing diving gear including one or more of the 10 Megadolon CCR rebreathers on set, and underwater diving safety for daring underwater stunt scenes which included to a large extend apnea cave diving or daring sharing air scenes, all in the overhead environment. High voltage cables were run close and though the water, the gaffers and grip constantly moved large structures around, you know, the normal thing you would expect going cave diving in Romania.
The second part of my time was spend doubling as an underwater stuntman for one of the actors, doing scenes that where deemed to dangerous for the actors themselves. If I had some time to spare besides all that I was operating parts of the special effects cave creatures, helping divers to get in and out of suits, gear, props, holding and providing light for the shoot, repairing gear, handling the 1000 feet / 300 meter fiber optical cable for the HD camera, making sure every one kept coming out of our cave and supporting the surface stunt crew that was working close to the water, in artificial created waterfalls of being dragged through the water upside down with no regulator in their mouth. You get the idea.
Time came to hear the final wrap it up call in Romania and all 10 tons of gear were packed up again and shipped to Mexico where a small village was created in the middle of the jungle with the help of Buddy Quattelbaums Hidden World Dive Center, at the Orchedia Cenote and Tak Be Ha Cenote, to get the nice cave scene shots for the big screen movie.
In Mexico we came in touch with the real cave diving world, descending upon it in a large very focused crowd. One of the most important aspects during the filming of the movie was safety and cave conservation first, movie comes second. A small tent village was created to house the costume, charging and rebreather department, large generators kept the power coming for all the lights, chargers, the climate controlled recording building plus the large compressor needed to fill the empty double tanks and stage tanks.
The conservation of the cave involved a chain of support divers holding up the long fiber optic cable to prevent the cable hitting the floor and leaving marks in the sediments or rubbing against any fragile rock formations. In silty conditions it was a small challenge at times to keep track of all divers and a strict sign in and out procedure helped to keep track of all 20 cave divers and support personnel involved and in the water at the same time, listening in to direct communication and directions from underwater director Wes Skiles. His famous words and daily inspiration in our very ears multiple times a day dive, dive, dive, time to make the donuts .
At the end close to 2000 hours of diving had been done with not a single accident or incident other then ear infections or skin rash due to extreme in-water exposure times. You may imagine how it smells when over 25 divers are in the water for over eight hours a day for four weeks at a time. We sure did not stop the film shoot for little bathroom visits and our pool location in Romania had a sweet smell around it. Many times we where eating and drinking in a rush while sticking our heads out of the water wolf and gulp down what was prepared by the catering service and in the vicinity of the diving platform, and go on with the work.
When I started to participate in this large project I had only two expectations. One is to meet new people and two, to learn new things. I have not been disappointed in either. When we prepared for shooting, safety or set up dives I looked around me many times in awe to all the cave divers around me and thought more then once: In this pool or in this cave are now over 500 years of cave diving experience together with some of the early cave diving pioneers present. The craftsmanship and organization of the Romanian and Mexican crew in any respect was astonishing and extremely professional. I cant possibly list all the people involved but would like to share this moment of recognition with the cave diving crew of Brian Kakuk, Jil Heinerth, Paul Heinerth, Woody Jasper, Tom Morris, Wes Skiles, Nathan Skiles, Joel Tower, Mark Meadows, Jidka Hyniova, Jakub Rehacek, Chris Stanton, Kenny Broad, Mark Long, Bil Phillips, Len Bucko, Steve Bogaerts, Scott Carnahan, Chuck Stevens, Anthony S. Lenso, Imanol Zubizarreta and Martin Gallo Argerich.
I am grateful that I was able to participate and to contribute in a small way to this movie, might it come out good or bad. Our outstanding work and safety record as a cave diving group diving for the silver screen has created a special bond that will last for the rest of my life.
Director Bruce Hunt directed the coming of the movie with the group of cave explorers being played by the actors Cole Hauser, Eddie Cibrian, Morris Chestnut, Piper Perabo, Daniel Dae Kim, Rick Ravanello, Marcel Lures and Lena Headey. The movie is going to be released and in the movie theaters by August 2005, and was produced by Touchstone pictures.
See you at the movies.
Contact info
Andreas W. Matthes
ProTec Advanced Training Facility
Playa del Carmen
Quintana Roo, Mexico
info@protecdiving.com
www.protecdiving.com
As one of the slaves helping to get the diving done it is interesting to hear what y'all thinking about the movie. I am unfortunatly living in Mexico and will haev to wait for a while, or even buy the DVD ( if there is one ) to judge what they have done to the awesome images I have seen when the stuff was shot in Romania and Mexico. Can't wait to see it ... even afetr reading the truly fascinating postings.....
Cave Diving for the Silver Screen
by Andreas W. Matthes
Cave diving in Romania is something not offered all the time and when friend, Underwater cave cinematographer and photographer Wes Skiles of Karst Production was asking me some years back during a NSS-CDS cave diving convention in Lake City, Florida if I like to go cave diving in Romania naturally I was curious and it turned out to be quite a cave diving experience indeed.
I have never heard of any cave diving in Romania and was intrigued when I was told that an international cave diving crew was assembled to help filming the adventure movie The Cave that is showing a cave exploration team discovering a large cave system in Romania. The first part of my involvement was to be four weeks filming in the Mediapro film studios in Romania and the second part four weeks of filming in the cave system of Dos Ojos in the Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico.
The underwater part of the movie was shot entirely on a Sony High Definition video system in a Light and Motion housing, costing together more money then I will ever earn in my life. The camera was connected via a fiber optic cable to the surface recording unit where the director had direct control over the images being shot and was able to talk to all the gaffers, stunt and safety divers, lighting personnel and riggers directly through an underwater communication system that led you to do what ever had to be done directly and immediately without any time delay.
That is where the adventure began. High end exploration cave equipment including Dive Rite arrow scooters and Inner Space Systems closed circuit Megadolon rebreathers dragging and steering large underwater sleds through cave passages when caves collapsed, boulders fell and large explosions happened underwater with enormous fire balls scorching the surface transpired in the process of making this intense movie.
The movie was shot at the Mediapro Studios in Buftea close to Bucharest, Romania with large set stages where dry caves were created as well as underwater caves. The cave diving scenes were shot in a large 2 million liter pool painted black with a large black tent on top of it. An underwater cave maze was created out of plastic in the 17 feet deep pool, painted, formed and filled with real rocks to make the illusion perfect. After four weeks of diving in the artificial cave it became a real cave to me, true enough since large parts were real overhead environment.
My job was to be a safety diving officer in charge of safety on topside when ever actors, stunt personnel or shooting activities transpired in or close to the water. Over 24 divers where on the underwater cave set at any given time, while preparing diving gear including one or more of the 10 Megadolon CCR rebreathers on set, and underwater diving safety for daring underwater stunt scenes which included to a large extend apnea cave diving or daring sharing air scenes, all in the overhead environment. High voltage cables were run close and though the water, the gaffers and grip constantly moved large structures around, you know, the normal thing you would expect going cave diving in Romania.
The second part of my time was spend doubling as an underwater stuntman for one of the actors, doing scenes that where deemed to dangerous for the actors themselves. If I had some time to spare besides all that I was operating parts of the special effects cave creatures, helping divers to get in and out of suits, gear, props, holding and providing light for the shoot, repairing gear, handling the 1000 feet / 300 meter fiber optical cable for the HD camera, making sure every one kept coming out of our cave and supporting the surface stunt crew that was working close to the water, in artificial created waterfalls of being dragged through the water upside down with no regulator in their mouth. You get the idea.
Time came to hear the final wrap it up call in Romania and all 10 tons of gear were packed up again and shipped to Mexico where a small village was created in the middle of the jungle with the help of Buddy Quattelbaums Hidden World Dive Center, at the Orchedia Cenote and Tak Be Ha Cenote, to get the nice cave scene shots for the big screen movie.
In Mexico we came in touch with the real cave diving world, descending upon it in a large very focused crowd. One of the most important aspects during the filming of the movie was safety and cave conservation first, movie comes second. A small tent village was created to house the costume, charging and rebreather department, large generators kept the power coming for all the lights, chargers, the climate controlled recording building plus the large compressor needed to fill the empty double tanks and stage tanks.
The conservation of the cave involved a chain of support divers holding up the long fiber optic cable to prevent the cable hitting the floor and leaving marks in the sediments or rubbing against any fragile rock formations. In silty conditions it was a small challenge at times to keep track of all divers and a strict sign in and out procedure helped to keep track of all 20 cave divers and support personnel involved and in the water at the same time, listening in to direct communication and directions from underwater director Wes Skiles. His famous words and daily inspiration in our very ears multiple times a day dive, dive, dive, time to make the donuts .
At the end close to 2000 hours of diving had been done with not a single accident or incident other then ear infections or skin rash due to extreme in-water exposure times. You may imagine how it smells when over 25 divers are in the water for over eight hours a day for four weeks at a time. We sure did not stop the film shoot for little bathroom visits and our pool location in Romania had a sweet smell around it. Many times we where eating and drinking in a rush while sticking our heads out of the water wolf and gulp down what was prepared by the catering service and in the vicinity of the diving platform, and go on with the work.
When I started to participate in this large project I had only two expectations. One is to meet new people and two, to learn new things. I have not been disappointed in either. When we prepared for shooting, safety or set up dives I looked around me many times in awe to all the cave divers around me and thought more then once: In this pool or in this cave are now over 500 years of cave diving experience together with some of the early cave diving pioneers present. The craftsmanship and organization of the Romanian and Mexican crew in any respect was astonishing and extremely professional. I cant possibly list all the people involved but would like to share this moment of recognition with the cave diving crew of Brian Kakuk, Jil Heinerth, Paul Heinerth, Woody Jasper, Tom Morris, Wes Skiles, Nathan Skiles, Joel Tower, Mark Meadows, Jidka Hyniova, Jakub Rehacek, Chris Stanton, Kenny Broad, Mark Long, Bil Phillips, Len Bucko, Steve Bogaerts, Scott Carnahan, Chuck Stevens, Anthony S. Lenso, Imanol Zubizarreta and Martin Gallo Argerich.
I am grateful that I was able to participate and to contribute in a small way to this movie, might it come out good or bad. Our outstanding work and safety record as a cave diving group diving for the silver screen has created a special bond that will last for the rest of my life.
Director Bruce Hunt directed the coming of the movie with the group of cave explorers being played by the actors Cole Hauser, Eddie Cibrian, Morris Chestnut, Piper Perabo, Daniel Dae Kim, Rick Ravanello, Marcel Lures and Lena Headey. The movie is going to be released and in the movie theaters by August 2005, and was produced by Touchstone pictures.
See you at the movies.
Contact info
Andreas W. Matthes
ProTec Advanced Training Facility
Playa del Carmen
Quintana Roo, Mexico
info@protecdiving.com
www.protecdiving.com
mattmexico
Contributor
The Cave article stories
Work till you drop
While working on the filming project in Romania we where working from 7 am until 9 pm most of the days of the week. We were picked up in our hotel, driven to the Mediapro studios outside Bucharest and started working away. Our workday was mostly underwater, sometime on topside preparing or cleaning rebreathers or even taking care of the actors when they are close or in the water, most of the time hiding behind a plastic rock while the shooting of the movie was going on. Toward the end of the four-week working stretch every one was very tired. People started to sleep wherever they can or drop. When there was for example a problem with electricity the caterer showed up with sandwiches, every one stuffed one or two in the mouth while half in the water or not and then fall asleep for a small nap, half in the water or not until the problem was fixed and Wes Skiles waking up his crew while shouting: Dive Dive Dive, Time to make the Donuts .. which became the battle call for the underwater unit.
The Hilton and the Cave Divers
When working in and underwater for over 8 hours of the day there is no time to go to the toilets, you just pee into your wetsuit. As cave divers we do that anyway and when changing we just change and try not to look to close to the neighbor. In cave diving we have a saying, you can look but you cannot laugh. So when peeing into your suit all day long you may be able to imagine how you smell. Now imagine 25 divers in a large swimming pool, all peeing in their suits and a tent in great summer heat over the pool to let no light, and no air into it. Whenever we had visitors from the very important people or family of the actors they never stayed very long in our pool area, the smell was just not that from this world. The whole dive team and most actors where staying in the Hilton Hotel, the best address in Bucharest and a very nice place. When we came back from work late in the evening without any showers taken and in ragged cloth we came many times across dressed up people attending weddings who where held in the Hilton, the best place in Romania to do such thing. Then we come in, all 25 of us, dragging our tired and smelling bodies through the lobby and close by the wedding reception, where people often stared at us, not believing that we actually where allowed into the hotel, passing by toward the elevators, vanishing into the hotel, leaving the baffled hotel guest behind.
The weekend trips away from madness
Romania has a 6-day working week, one reason why film productions are located here. On our only day off in the week we decided as a group since we are here in Romania we want to see something from the country. We rented our driver who took us to work every day and his minibus and off we went escaping the madness of the film shoot for some hours of sanity. These days usually started around 6:00 am and driving for some 4- 6 hours until we hit a gasoline station or supermarket where we shopped heavy on beers and other drinks, having a good time while cruising the Romanian country side. The first of the three trips we did led us into the Carpathian mountains, high up with a cable car on top of some cold mountains. The second trip we went to the castle of Count Dracul, the historic site of Vlad the Impaler whom the stories and movies of Dracula are based on and on the last trip we went into the Danube Delta close to the Ukrainian border where we enjoyed a river tour with a fine lunch some where in the delta.
Knocked out
The two biggest jobs I had on this project was a stunt double and a safety officer plus safety diver. On many occasions some members of our team had to perform some underwater stunts, might they be dragged underwater over long distance without regulator in their mouth, I was buried more then once for example under mountains of sand and rocks while underwater cannons where exploding collapsing basically the whole cave or regularly divers had to free dive horizontally through collapsing cave passages while sharing air, or not. On one occasion I was a safety diver in a large team of safety divers while four of our team had to horizontally free dive through a collapsing cave while underwater close to the surface and on the water surface large balls of fire where exploding. To make mattes worse for the double is that they had full cloth and shoes on, and their hands full of stuff and little steel tanks. During the shoot I came a little to close to one of the doubles who was frantically swimming in full cloth and full hands, swinging his hands wildly to get some propulsion. He hit me with the steel tank between my eyes, onto the plate of the mask, which luckily did not break. But he punch knocked me out. Things went black for a split second, I came around quite fast, and the shoot went on. I went to the surface to get a breath of smoked air and tried to continue work but had to quit that day due to a headache and some dizziness. The shoot went well, the scene went into the can. Time to make Donuts.
Eating with the dead man
During the day there was a lunch break where a catering service from Poland cooked up some amazing food, and a lot of it. Great stuff. During the days shooting on a variety of stages, I think at some point up to five simultaneous stages, actors and stunt doubles had on their costumes while going to lunch. Me and the rest of the diving team went always in wet suits, half off, sometimes t-shirt, may times not, it was summer time. The smell from our group gave us many times extra space since we where peeing into our suits for 4-5 hours by now. The movie is about action in a cave and some monsters too, so there is some blood, people die and get ripped to pieces. If you have gotten some make up, or in some cases bloody make up or missing arms or legs, or the guts hanging out and it was lunch then you went with your make up and costume to lunch. In quite a few instances we went to lunch and it looked like there was a major accident some where but all was calm and all where eating, a strange picture to see and to be in, eating with some dead people.
Matt
www.protecdiving.com
Work till you drop
While working on the filming project in Romania we where working from 7 am until 9 pm most of the days of the week. We were picked up in our hotel, driven to the Mediapro studios outside Bucharest and started working away. Our workday was mostly underwater, sometime on topside preparing or cleaning rebreathers or even taking care of the actors when they are close or in the water, most of the time hiding behind a plastic rock while the shooting of the movie was going on. Toward the end of the four-week working stretch every one was very tired. People started to sleep wherever they can or drop. When there was for example a problem with electricity the caterer showed up with sandwiches, every one stuffed one or two in the mouth while half in the water or not and then fall asleep for a small nap, half in the water or not until the problem was fixed and Wes Skiles waking up his crew while shouting: Dive Dive Dive, Time to make the Donuts .. which became the battle call for the underwater unit.
The Hilton and the Cave Divers
When working in and underwater for over 8 hours of the day there is no time to go to the toilets, you just pee into your wetsuit. As cave divers we do that anyway and when changing we just change and try not to look to close to the neighbor. In cave diving we have a saying, you can look but you cannot laugh. So when peeing into your suit all day long you may be able to imagine how you smell. Now imagine 25 divers in a large swimming pool, all peeing in their suits and a tent in great summer heat over the pool to let no light, and no air into it. Whenever we had visitors from the very important people or family of the actors they never stayed very long in our pool area, the smell was just not that from this world. The whole dive team and most actors where staying in the Hilton Hotel, the best address in Bucharest and a very nice place. When we came back from work late in the evening without any showers taken and in ragged cloth we came many times across dressed up people attending weddings who where held in the Hilton, the best place in Romania to do such thing. Then we come in, all 25 of us, dragging our tired and smelling bodies through the lobby and close by the wedding reception, where people often stared at us, not believing that we actually where allowed into the hotel, passing by toward the elevators, vanishing into the hotel, leaving the baffled hotel guest behind.
The weekend trips away from madness
Romania has a 6-day working week, one reason why film productions are located here. On our only day off in the week we decided as a group since we are here in Romania we want to see something from the country. We rented our driver who took us to work every day and his minibus and off we went escaping the madness of the film shoot for some hours of sanity. These days usually started around 6:00 am and driving for some 4- 6 hours until we hit a gasoline station or supermarket where we shopped heavy on beers and other drinks, having a good time while cruising the Romanian country side. The first of the three trips we did led us into the Carpathian mountains, high up with a cable car on top of some cold mountains. The second trip we went to the castle of Count Dracul, the historic site of Vlad the Impaler whom the stories and movies of Dracula are based on and on the last trip we went into the Danube Delta close to the Ukrainian border where we enjoyed a river tour with a fine lunch some where in the delta.
Knocked out
The two biggest jobs I had on this project was a stunt double and a safety officer plus safety diver. On many occasions some members of our team had to perform some underwater stunts, might they be dragged underwater over long distance without regulator in their mouth, I was buried more then once for example under mountains of sand and rocks while underwater cannons where exploding collapsing basically the whole cave or regularly divers had to free dive horizontally through collapsing cave passages while sharing air, or not. On one occasion I was a safety diver in a large team of safety divers while four of our team had to horizontally free dive through a collapsing cave while underwater close to the surface and on the water surface large balls of fire where exploding. To make mattes worse for the double is that they had full cloth and shoes on, and their hands full of stuff and little steel tanks. During the shoot I came a little to close to one of the doubles who was frantically swimming in full cloth and full hands, swinging his hands wildly to get some propulsion. He hit me with the steel tank between my eyes, onto the plate of the mask, which luckily did not break. But he punch knocked me out. Things went black for a split second, I came around quite fast, and the shoot went on. I went to the surface to get a breath of smoked air and tried to continue work but had to quit that day due to a headache and some dizziness. The shoot went well, the scene went into the can. Time to make Donuts.
Eating with the dead man
During the day there was a lunch break where a catering service from Poland cooked up some amazing food, and a lot of it. Great stuff. During the days shooting on a variety of stages, I think at some point up to five simultaneous stages, actors and stunt doubles had on their costumes while going to lunch. Me and the rest of the diving team went always in wet suits, half off, sometimes t-shirt, may times not, it was summer time. The smell from our group gave us many times extra space since we where peeing into our suits for 4-5 hours by now. The movie is about action in a cave and some monsters too, so there is some blood, people die and get ripped to pieces. If you have gotten some make up, or in some cases bloody make up or missing arms or legs, or the guts hanging out and it was lunch then you went with your make up and costume to lunch. In quite a few instances we went to lunch and it looked like there was a major accident some where but all was calm and all where eating, a strange picture to see and to be in, eating with some dead people.
Matt
www.protecdiving.com
DavidPT40
Contributor
Just wanted to say that I've talked through a regulator underwater and understood the person talking to me. The conversation consisted of this "Wheres the clam?" "I dropped it" "You dropped it!?"
diverkristi
Guest
Saw it today. Enjoyed the dive scenes and enjoyed the cave exploration part, but I thought the monsters were cheesy. I felt like it was scuba/cave meets Alien. It reminded me of the Alien movie monster.
That said, it was entertaining for a lazy afternoon, and the 1st sci-fi monster flick I've seen in ages.
That said, it was entertaining for a lazy afternoon, and the 1st sci-fi monster flick I've seen in ages.
ScubaSarus
Guest
Ive yet to see it. Hopefully soon and will stay tuned to this thread.
I saw it last night and agree with Kristi above. I enjoyed the diving scenes and some of the cave action, but the "monsters" were a little cheesy. Also, I know they had to be able to talk while diving for plot purposes, but they sounded awfully clear for talking through a rebreather mouthpiece underwater! And I loved the exploding scooter, complete with flames!?!
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