Taking garbage bags in the water.

[Tropicalwolf]

heck if you don't give instruction I can picture most divers trying to put the mesh over the already inflated trash bag.

How true!

 

[DandyDon]

Ya just can't make this stuff up....

As posted on yet another thread on the subject...

It's pretty clear that you and your gang like his caustic jokes at my expense and I guess y'all will continue to joke and laugh at my expense in private as well. Whatever.

This split thread has gone on and on, when all was needed was one rational post explaining why the idea was bad. I guess y'all win. :medal:

 

[diver 85]

To the OP-----no more of a problem(for me anyway) than if I would lose a weightbelt with EXPOSED LEAD all over it........Come on folks, give me a fricking break-----are ya'll all woosies UW & lose everything you bring down???.....

 

[diver 85]

As posted on yet another thread on the subject...

It's pretty clear that you and your gang like his caustic jokes at my expense and I guess y'all will continue to joke and laugh at my expense in private as well. Whatever.

This split thread has gone on and on, when all was needed was one rational post explaining why the idea was bad. I guess y'all win. :medal:

DD, DO NOT give in to a bunch of woosies......They probably have left some TP UW thinking they'd need it for a potty break......

 

[berk]

Dandy, where is it stowed on your rig?

 

[SC_Hoaty]

To the OP-----no more of a problem(for me anyway) than if I would lose a weightbelt with EXPOSED LEAD all over it........Come on folks, give me a fricking break-----are ya'll all woosies UW & lose everything you bring down???.....

A quick google search for corrosion of lead in seawater seems to show this is not really a huge environmental issue. The corrosion rate is low, and corrosion products appear to form a protective barrier to further corrosion. The ingestion of lead shot is different (digestive acids, etc.), but a typical hard weight appears much safer than tramp plastic.

 

[diver 85]

A quick google search for corrosion of lead in seawater seems to show this is not really a huge environmental issue. The corrosion rate is low, and corrosion products appear to form a protective barrier to further corrosion. The ingestion of lead shot is different (digestive acids, etc.), but a typical hard weight appears much safer than tramp plastic.

Not the one's I use, made from lead from the 40's & 50's...---I guess they have 'outlawed ' a lot of lead shot in shotguns because it's so safe........keep trying,----you ever seen anything choke an a big wad of paper??.Death is death, no matter how it's obtained.....................................................

 

[DandyDon]

Dandy, where is it stowed on your rig?

It was stowed in a small, separate pocket on my BC, one too small for much else. I miss my old BC, but anyway - it rode in there well secured for a week long trip, then got used over LDWeekend collecting recyclables, which I had to bring home as our underfunded state park system does not have receptacles for such. I'll drop them here next time I head into town.

Carrying it in the pocket was not careless, altho it may well have been useless. I am damned sure not going to suggest the idea again. The "circle of friends" as a nicer way to reference them look for ways to harass me and they win. I'm sure they'll have a good laugh over that.

Scubaboard has two threads split off for this game and it's allowed, so whatever.

 

[SC_Hoaty]

Not the one's I use, made from lead from the 40's & 50's...---I guess they have 'outlawed ' a lot of lead shot in shotguns because it's so safe........keep trying,----you ever seen anything choke an a big wad of paper??.Death is death, no matter how it's obtained.....................................................

So your weights are made from shot? Then the primary issue is ingestion (because the shot size is small enough). This is why steel shot is used for waterfowl. Lead shotgun pellets are still available (and legal for turkey, among other game species).

Does the age of your lead really matter?

 

[JahJahwarrior]

Maybe I'm a terrible diver, but I just can't imagine why anyone would carry a trash bag in the water.

They seem to have no practical benefits over a proper SMB. (I also can't imagine why anyone would waste their money on a less than proper SMB) A proper SMB will be as visible, if not far more so, than a trashbag that has the same colour as ocean foam. A proper SMB will work well with a light at the base, or a glow stick or a strobe light placed at the top, showing light to rescuers much further away than a trashbag. A proper SMB will stay in one piece for days or years, while a trashbag is torn extremely easily and rendered completely useless for anything except killing turtles. A proper SMB will not kill a turtle. A proper SMB can also be used for emergency flotation.

But I only have one handful of certifications. Perhaps I'm missing something. Can someone give me a good reason to carry a trashbag over a proper SMB?


Diver 85, your comments about lead shot are...interesting. I do not believe a common killer of sea turtles is lead shot. Lead shot will sink to the bottom of the ocean, and does not look to sea turtles like food. Trashbags are much more likely to look to a sea turtle like a jellyfish, which I believe is a common food source for sea turtles. Additionally, as others have posted, corrosion of lead is slow and forms a protective barrier much like the corrosion of aluminum. Trash bags also deteriorate slowly, but they can float at various positions in the water column for much longer than lead shot, which should continue downwards until the water density is the same as the lead... Additionally, trash bag deterioration does not form any protective coating on the bag. It's a danger to wildlife until it's completely gone, unlike lead shot.