Strange event, no air

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Nemrod

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I am going to post this in Basic, if it needs to be moved, please do. So then, I was diving a just serviced (by me) G250, brand spanking new Mark 11 (around 50 dives since new) and new DGX BCI on a night dive in Cozumel, Paradise Reef. Shallow, maybe 30 feet, 40 maximum maybe. Dive was going well seeing the usual critters and on the look for the elusive octopus. Nothing unusual. Nitrox 32% mix, regulator performing wonderfully for previous four days. I found a little critter and began to photo and of course, my group moved a little off due to the current. I decided they (and buddy) were getting too far so I left the critter and began moving their way, not that far. Noted my spg was reading 1200 psi so I wanted to group up before ascent. Then no air, none. Just like that. The last breath, I may have noted a flutter but thought nothing of it. Hmmm, well, hmmm. A moment of disbelief, third dive of the day so I did want to do a bit of a safety stop. Am I imagining this? Inhaled again, absolutely nothing. Okay, let's not delay switching regs like in my other event (not going into here from a few years back, much deeper though) so I went to my BCI, got one little bit of a breath and nothing. Started up. Got to 15 feet, now about a minute since last full breath. Checked my Shearwater, it was in safety stop and was counting down. Tried to inhale again and got another little bit of air. Now about a minute and half since last good breath. I wanted some air really bad by about then so now at 2 minutes approximate since last breath I decided to surface and hit the surface I would say at 2:15 since last breath. Hit inflator button and very little to nothing. Spit reg out and clipped it off, took some sweet breaths, orally inflated and just hung there a moment resting and ventilating and mulling the event over. Boat swung over and picked me up. Tank was at 1000 psi on the boat. Double checked with another regulator with both spg and AI, 1000 psi! No doubt. Oh, yes, we did check the valve to be full on and it was. No roll off, no partial valve. And with the reg removed air flowed from the tank as normal.

It being dark now I did not see anything wrong and after turning the tank valve on and off the regulator began to function again but with a huge spg drop with each cycle. So I get back to the room, toss the reg aside and grab my Mark 17E and G260 set for the next day of diving and went to eat. Next day after dives complete I got back to looking into what went wrong. Guess what I found? Two things actually. One, the LP regulator hose was loose and the O-ring was partially extruded but not leaking. Then I looked at the regulator sintered filter to see if there was some sort of crud or FOD. Yep, there it was, a destroyed tank O-ring was completely shoved into the cone of the sintered filter obscuring the inlet of air.

So, there was an O-ring on the tank and it passed pre dive leak check. Pre dive spg check there was no unusual spg drop or indication nor during the 45 minutes in the water until the sudden no air event. So where did the O-ring come from, well, beats the cxxp out of me because it was NOT in there before the dive. The tank O-ring was in place before, during and after event. My two guess are that the O-ring may have come from the previous tank when the crew blew out the cap and that it was not seen in the dark when the regulator was installed and then somehow getting into the filter cone? Or, at the fill station an O-ring was accidentally shoved into the valve during fill and was in the valve dip tube and that the "flutter" I noted on the last good breath was that O-ring being shoved into my regulator filter. Or, I am at a loss.

After several tests and checking the Mark 11/G250/BCI on a near empty tank the regulator was performing normally and I resumed using it. Of course having removed the destroyed O-ring. The cleaning custodian unfortunately wiped the counter and I do not have the O-ring. I guess if one dives long enough weird things can happen. It was not such a big event due to being on a shallow reef with no deco obligation. Had I been on the wall, in a deep swim through, who knows. I do look at and check my regulator prior to diving. In the dark I guess I did not see the O-ring there but that is unlikely therefore I favor the hypothesis that the O-ring was not there but was inside the tank. Because I did look, but, you know, I did not have my glasses on, it was getting dark, everyone was ribbing each other, the usual distracting fun banter we all love. So -----.

My take aways:

Check filter before installing the regulator
Check hoses tight during pre dive checks
Make sure valve is full on
Test for spg drop when cycled
XHopeX there is no FOD in the provided tank

Well, we could dive doubles always or have Y valves with two complete regulators or have an auxiliary pony bottle type system. I am not advocating for any of that. Or keep your buddy at arms length. That right there is on me because the critter was much more cute than my sorta-buddy and I wanted a good picture, which turns out the photo sucked as usual. There you go.
 
It sounds like you were at the mercy of the tank fillers. Of course, on a dive on Paradise Reef, there as no need for a safety stop, so you could have gone directly to the surface.

A friend of mine had a similar experience in Cozumel, diving in the Devil's Throat. They dropped to the opening and started down the swim-through. He got flashed by the diver behind him, who was signaling OOA. He donated (long hose, fortunately), and they all went to the surface. On the surface, the tank showed nearly completely full. They later removed the valve, and it turned out there was no dip tube and about a liter of water in the tank. As soon as they had gone head down, the diver had lost air. Soon after that, the dive operation switched away from the local tank fillers and got its own compressor.
 
Just out of curiousity, why are you not advocating for a pony bottle/doubles in the wake of this incident? My opinion is, even the best buddy is always gonna be further away than the spare reg and tank I keep clipped to my BCD.
 
I’d give the two points mentioned in your final paragraph much higher priority than your take away list.

Stay close to your buddy
Or
Carry a pony or other redundant gas supply
 
@boulderjohn What's a dip tube? I'm not familiar with the term and am struggling to imagine what component failure could cause water to flow into a full tank
 
@tursiops Ah, so the dip tube did not cause water to get into the tank. Water was already in the tank and the absence of a dip tube caused it to occlude the airway. That makes sense.
 
Check filter before installing the regulator
Check hoses tight during pre dive checks
Make sure valve is full on
Test for spg drop when cycled
XHopeX there is no FOD in the provided tank
You can do all that, and if it isn’t going to show up until 45 minutes into the dive it’s all for naught! I’m so glad you’re ok. As I was reading your story it reminded me of when I had a tank full of oxidized ‘something or other’ and it clogged my filter at the END of my dive. Oh, and if I changed position in the water I’d be able to breathe better. So I was wondering whether you had something in the filter, but NEVER would have guessed it was an o-ring! That wasn’t on my bingo card!

I vote for the ‘it was in the tank’ theory.

Again, glad you’re ok.
 
Just out of curiousity, why are you not advocating for a pony bottle/doubles in the wake of this incident? My opinion is, even the best buddy is always gonna be further away than the spare reg and tank I keep clipped to my BCD.

I think you misunderstand, I was simply trying to avoid that controversy. I have nothing against a pony and do sling a pony on intentional solo dives. As per SDI training.

This was not that kind of dive and despite being dive number three of the day, it being shallow, I could have immediantly gone to the surface. I am getting on the older side, wanted my safety stop and even had I forgone any stop, 30 feet is 30 seconds at 60 fpm ascent, does not Padi and many recommend 30 fpm for ascent above 30 feet? That is then 60 seconds to surface. I did futz around, checking valve, switching to my secondary, clipping off my $$$$ camera rig. So at best we are looking at 45 to 90 seconds to surface. For me in this event, it was about 135 seconds (camera, switching regs, valve check, where is my buddy check, a short safety stop and importantly, understandiung that I actually had an issue, disbelief delay or denial). So I am going to add that as a take away here:

If not getting air, do not disbelieve in astonished disbelief that I am not getting air and react immediately to begin ascent and signal buddy. But do something now :). Do not just sit there like a dunce wondering why my new regulator is not giving me any air, like WT_!

I broke some rules, I let my buddy get off. And this being the second time I have had an event while group diving where the group decided to leave me :(. Along with my buddy. That is on me, my fault.
 

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