Stick With The Winners

[The Chairman]

I think I'll go with the NAUI guy.

Hmmnnn, I'm a NAUI guy, and the person who told me about how it happened is on NAUI's board of directors. Go figure.

Obviously, spin will be applied by whoever is telling the tale. Bottom line? Were these engineers somehow more gifted while they were working for SP? I don't think so.

 

[djanni]

MY BS-o-meter just sounded it's alarm. Ferrari has absolutely nothing to do with safety. Volvo has absolutely everything to do with safety. Two completely different design philosophies. Many think I drive Volvo for prestige. I drive Volvo because the car actually HAS saved my life! (independent safety cage inside three
layers of metal.(five layers total). The name of the game is survival.

I picked up on NetDoc's "BS-O-Meter" too and was hoping to use it some day. However, I would submit that you have inappropriately used it this time.

Your point all along has been longivity = good and reliable products. So it would seen that in your statement above (you know the one with BS-O-Meter" in it) you reversed your original assertation and you're now saying longivity doesn't necessarily = good and reliable products.

Volvo & Ferrari started life 2 years apart, which you now maintain means nothing. In your original post you maintained that because AL and others had been in business so long they were the "winners" and people should stick with the winners.

Look, your focus is on Regulators. My focus was on the fact that longevity has little to do with quality and I used electric ranges and cars to make the point.

Let's just agree to move on.

Don

 

[padrediver]

I picked up on NetDoc's "BS-O-Meter" too and was hoping to use it some day. However, I would submit that you have inappropriately used it this time.

Your point all along has been longivity = good and reliable products. So it would seen that in your statement above (you know the one with BS-O-Meter" in it) you reversed your original assertation and you're now saying longivity doesn't necessarily = good and reliable products.

Volvo & Ferrari started life 2 years apart, which you now maintain means nothing. In your original post you maintained that because AL and others had been in business so long they were the "winners" and people should stick with the winners.

Look, your focus is on Regulators. My focus was on the fact that longevity has little to do with quality and I used electric ranges and cars to make the point.

Let's just agree to move on.

Don

I never said Ferarri wasn't a good reliable product.
I just said Volvo was safer(and it is).
You started the Ford thing.
Trinigordo started the Ferarri comparison thing.
("will your Volvo get you laid"?)(vulgar & stupid)
An Atomic regulator will get you laid?
(I'm buyin' stock in that there company)
(hey Pete...this thread may belong on the humor forum.)
I am a NAUI diver. Trinigordo is a PADI diver.
(beginning to see a pattern here, Verne?)
Our motto has always been "DIVE SAFETY THROUGH EDUCATION".
Trinigordo put me down for safety concerns.(see earlier post)
Trinigordo suggested that I (40 years diving this year)get out
of the sport if I was concerned with safety.(Him 2 years)
He wishes!
Thank you all for your replies.
I feel more justified in my original post than ever.
I AM moving on....NOW.
I am going to go buy an Atomic and get laid.

 

[padrediver]

So if your true to your logic you drive a "FORD."

No, I'd drive a Mercedes Benz.

Mercedes Benz=First to drive

(had one, caused too much envy/friends got cold/nasty)
("what are you doing, dealing dope now?")
(Volvo almost identical but slower and safer/less "flash")
(older used ones better value than Toyota Corolla)

Aqua-lung=First to dive.

My logic is fine.

Aqua Lung Legend/Scubapro MK25 all rate as
"no weaknesses" "excellent breathers"
and cost no more than top line
new regs, and the've been there for us for
forty-fifty years. Aqua Lung will always be around.
Even if they went bust, someone would buy them
and "bail them out" just for the name.
(Just as Johnson Outdoors bailed Scubapro out!)

Twenty years ago, everyone was complaining that
even top line regs breathed "too dry". So Sherwood
came up with the Oasis and everyone copied them
to "get a little moisture in the mouthpiece".

Now "scubalab" says they breathe "wet".

Stick around the sport and watch.
Watch the LDS come and go.
This argument has been going on for over
forty years. It was going on when I started
in 1965. It never ends. It's kinda fun in
a weird way.(once in a while)

 

[djanni]

No, I'd drive a Mercedes Benz.

Mercedes Benz=First to drive
(had one, caused too much envy/friends got nasty)
(Volvo almost identical but slower and safer)

Aqua-lung=First to dive.

My logic is fine.

Okay. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I was only testing your logic to see if you really felt the company that's been around the longest is the "Winner." Translation "better than others."

I guess you are true to your logic. That's great.

IMHO longivity is not the litmus test.

 

[TheRedHead]

Nope, I have an Aeris pro reg and an oceanic octo, I own zero Atomic products.

I used to have an Aeris Pro. You need an Apeks, Trini, so you can stand on your head and breath dry.

 

[padrediver]

Okay. I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I was only testing your logic to see if you really felt the company that's been around the longest is the "Winner." Translation "better than others."

I guess you are true to your logic. That's great.

IMHO longivity is not the litmus test.

You're right, but it is A litmus test.
The market is a darwinian beast.
It gets rid of the weaker players.

Ever check out "alibaba" world trade website?
(Forbes mag top rated)
Go there and type in SCUBA!
Half a dozen no name Chinese companies selling "knockoffs"! Cheap! Seriously!
I was thinking about buying a few and labeling them "AQUACON SEASNAKE"
for a joke! (Funny people are popular on dive trips.)They look just like top rated regs.
I heard there are counterfeit Mares/etc out there.
Trinigordo said island LDS are returning defective Mares regs/BCD's.
I grew up going to the islands and there's a "rip off the rich Americans"
attitude that pervades some of the Caribbean. See picture "Captain Ron" (kurt russel) for further data! I absolutely would not put it
past some of them to purposely buy cheap FAKE "major brands"
and then blame the real mfg. when the counterfeits fail.
(Hey Mon...wanna buy a Omega Seamaster/Rolex Submariner....cheap?)
(Uh..how come they say "Omaga" and "Rofex" on the dial?)
(ohhh....Mon...we had to change them because of customs people)
(quick...you must buy now....police soon come, mon!)
Did you see "OPEN WATER". (got the DVD 'O dat puppy!)
It's truer than a lot of people want to admit.
(It wasn't just an Australian couple that eventually got picked up)
I have seen FATAL dive accidents/other incidents covered up for forty years now.
(like that young lady in Cancun a while back)

 

[padrediver]

I used to have an Aeris Pro. You need an Apeks, Trini, so you can stand on your head and breath dry.

APEKS: British Navy uses 'em!

U.S. Navy has a few!

Other World Navies use 'em!

AquaLung distributes 'em.

Recommended by BSAC

What more can one HONESTLY say? I mean, c'mon, really?


For forty years I have watched dive shops that can't qualify
for an Aqua Lung/Scubapro (and now APEKS) distributorship
deprecate those brands.

I have always used Aqualung/USD/Scubapro/Technisub/La Spirotechnique/Mares
(may try APEKS if I can get a decent U.S. price on one)

Caveat emptor!

 

[Trinigordo]

I used to have an Aeris Pro. You need an Apeks, Trini, so you can stand on your head and breath dry.

I haven't had any wet situations with my reg while being inverted, my reg is awesome and I won't be changing it for a long time.

 

[Trinigordo]

Trinigordo said island LDS are returning defective Mares regs/BCD's. I grew up going to the islands and there's a "rip off the rich Americans"
attitude that pervades the Caribbean. See picture "Captain Ron" (kurt russel)
for further data! I absolutely would not put it past some of them to purposely buy cheap FAKE "major brands" and then blame the real mfg. when the counterfeits fail.

I take serious offense to that and furthermore the LDS in question wasn't blaming a manufacturer for a failed rental, but was explaining why he changed his rental gear to me a regular, he had to change because the Mares corporation that sold him these items to be used a rental gear refused to back up the manufacturers warranty in an efficient time frame and because they were always breaking down he couldn't carry the line anymore as he would constantly have rental gear that could not be rented.

Did you see "OPEN WATER". (got the DVD 'O dat puppy!)
It's truer than a lot of people want to admit.
(It wasn't just an Australian couple that eventually got picked up)
I have seen FATAL dive accidents/other incidents covered up for forty years now.
(like that young lady in Cancun a while back)

Well you know I have only been in one bad situation in my limited diving career and it was when a USCG charter captain failed to do a headcount and returned to the dock and was there when someone mentioned I was missing, if she did not say anything I might have just ended up just like those poor divers in Open Water . So as you can see this is not a Caribbean or Mexican thing.