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When I freedive a busy reef like the 60 foot Breakers Reef, or one of the reefs in Boynton like Lynn's reef, I do not want the drag and work product of a towed float on me....it interferes with the drop and the entire time swimming underwater....in other words, I absolutely refuse to tow a float while underwater, if freediving. A buddy on the surface can hold one, or a boat can follow with one....but anybody that tells me to tow one, is going to be ignored with gusto :)

Because it is a busy reef..lots of boaters, I do NEED a float to surface near....this gets back to your buddy, or a good captain with boat and flag.
 
Black outs happen all the time.. That is why a minor entanglement, causing even a slight delay on the bottom, could be very dangerous. I'm not trying to be dramatic at all.

In fact, my buddy told me today that a mutual acquaintance had a BO on Thursday.

I would not allow my son to pursue this activity.. and remember, I am the guy who took his 10 yr old kid scuba diving inside a wreck at 80 feet. :D

Take care!

I realize that not only you think my son is stupid, you must also believe I drag my knuckles when I walk and my IQ is on the negative side of the scale.

So it isn't drama, you actually deduced a whole profile from one inconsistent action. Based on the fact that sometimes he ties himself to a line, automatically you believe he's stupid, doesn't know about black outs and potential for entanglement, never seen anyone getting killed, and there is some connection between him and kids from a articular YouTube channel. Well, you could add to that profile that he colored outside the lines when he was in elementary school, and I didn't stop him either.

You would not "allow" your son to pursue this activity, ok... now people that read the post have that piece of information.
Am I supposed to suddenly decided that I should follow your example? after all you are a daring father, your kid went inside a wreck at 80 feet no less... oooooohhhh. yeah no. I've been ignoring that type of "if it was my kid I would or wouldn't ..." for 33 years now, don't see a reason to change.

I will take care, you take care too!

Some things in life you figure out for yourself. Some things are learned from others with more knowledge.

Things that can kill, I've decided to learn from others. My children will also learn from others.

Noted.


When I freedive a busy reef like the 60 foot Breakers Reef, or one of the reefs in Boynton like Lynn's reef, I do not want the drag and work product of a towed float on me....it interferes with the drop and the entire time swimming underwater....in other words, I absolutely refuse to tow a float while underwater, if freediving. A buddy on the surface can hold one, or a boat can follow with one....but anybody that tells me to tow one, is going to be ignored with gusto :)

Because it is a busy reef..lots of boaters, I do NEED a float to surface near....this gets back to your buddy, or a good captain with boat and flag.

I could ask who holds the float for your buddy, but I don't give a dam about the answer.
My family and I have been going out to the ocean for entertainment and to earn a living since before I was born. Currently we freedive and scuba dive, from our boat, we follow the law and generally have lots of fun.
The way we do things is the result of a great number of factors, formal instruction, observation, hearsay, a post or two, and a pinch of "what if I change this today?"

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See I know that people come here to the board to ask for either permissions, reassurances or solutions.
Silly me I just posted to comment about an episode that happened to me, the act of posting it served a purposed for me regardless of the replies I received.

Later as and added benefit during the exchange of ideas, I learned about the existence of a "Limited stretch bungie"... an item I will check out and may or may not adopt depending in my own results with the thing, I may even go further and continue the conversation with Johnoly about it, who knows?

Other than that I don't give a rodent's behind about people's philosophy on life, how they raise their kids, their definition of safe versus scary, the amount of experience or quantities of knowledgeable friends.
If anyone is generous enough to share how they do this or that, I'm more than happy to read about it, digest the information and decide if it is applicable to me or not, if you want more than that from me I predict disappointments.
The most I can do is to express gratitude for your generosity until you classify your ways BETTER that other people's ways.

Am I going to die? yes. Is my son going to die? also yes.
 
As a direction change....

I know that in my boat we use engine revs as a form of communication with our divers.

I've been thinking about this comment from Zieg. Do people commonly use engine-rev as a method of communication? It seems that since sound carries so well in water, there should be a much simpler and less overloaded method. Overloaded = there is more than one reason for this noise.

If you have a mate on board, they can easily wrap on a ladder or something (which is often a message to 'return immediately' as briefed by some dive boats). But, if solo and following a drift, the captain might not want to leave the wheel.

Why isn't some type of underwater PA or buzzer common?
 
I realize that not only you think my son is stupid, you must also believe I drag my knuckles when I walk and my IQ is on the negative side of the scale.

So it isn't drama, you actually deduced a whole profile from one inconsistent action. Based on the fact that sometimes he ties himself to a line, automatically you believe he's stupid, doesn't know about black outs and potential for entanglement, never seen anyone getting killed, and there is some connection between him and kids from a articular YouTube channel. Well, you could add to that profile that he colored outside the lines when he was in elementary school, and I didn't stop him either.

You would not "allow" your son to pursue this activity, ok... now people that read the post have that piece of information.
Am I supposed to suddenly decided that I should follow your example? after all you are a daring father, your kid went inside a wreck at 80 feet no less... oooooohhhh. yeah no. I've been ignoring that type of "if it was my kid I would or wouldn't ..." for 33 years now, don't see a reason to change.

I will take care, you take care too!



Noted.




I could ask who holds the float for your buddy, but I don't give a dam about the answer.
My family and I have been going out to the ocean for entertainment and to earn a living since before I was born. Currently we freedive and scuba dive, from our boat, we follow the law and generally have lots of fun.
The way we do things is the result of a great number of factors, formal instruction, observation, hearsay, a post or two, and a pinch of "what if I change this today?"

***************

See I know that people come here to the board to ask for either permissions, reassurances or solutions.
Silly me I just posted to comment about an episode that happened to me, the act of posting it served a purposed for me regardless of the replies I received.

Later as and added benefit during the exchange of ideas, I learned about the existence of a "Limited stretch bungie"... an item I will check out and may or may not adopt depending in my own results with the thing, I may even go further and continue the conversation with Johnoly about it, who knows?

Other than that I don't give a rodent's behind about people's philosophy on life, how they raise their kids, their definition of safe versus scary, the amount of experience or quantities of knowledgeable friends.
If anyone is generous enough to share how they do this or that, I'm more than happy to read about it, digest the information and decide if it is applicable to me or not, if you want more than that from me I predict disappointments.
The most I can do is to express gratitude for your generosity until you classify your ways BETTER that other people's ways.

Am I going to die? yes. Is my son going to die? also yes.

Ana,
I kind of assumed you knew I was supportive of your posts, all along in this thread....and as to my freedive buddy and who holds his float line when he drops--we take turns holding the line when on the surface...and both are not at bottom at the same time...one up, one down....buddy system by watching your buddy during drop...

Not being preachy at all here...just emphasizing that there are plenty of ways to use a float for safety, that are outside of the awareness of many scuba divers. And not emphasizing this to you...but to the people reading the thread....Sorry if I got you upset ! :)

Many of the posts on scubaboard, get started like yours, and then the topic allows something of a coffee table discussion that goes off on 100 different tangents, often not even relevant to the original poster....In other words, I don't think anyone was trying to be offensive.....( except maybe dumpster, who enjoys upsetting applecarts more than most)....I think most just blurted out what your post had them thinking :)
 
Ana,
I kind of assumed you knew I was supportive of your posts, all along in this thread....and as to my freedive buddy and who holds his float line when he drops--we take turns holding the line when on the surface...and both are not at bottom at the same time...one up, one down....buddy system by watching your buddy during drop...

Not being preachy at all here...just emphasizing that there are plenty of ways to use a float for safety, that are outside of the awareness of many scuba divers. And not emphasizing this to you...but to the people reading the thread....Sorry if I got you upset ! :)

Many of the posts on scubaboard, get started like yours, and then the topic allows something of a coffee table discussion that goes off on 100 different tangents, often not even relevant to the original poster....In other words, I don't think anyone was trying to be offensive.....( except maybe dumpster, who enjoys upsetting applecarts more than most)....I think most just blurted out what your post had them thinking :)


Dan indicates that taking a floatline down on a freedive is too much trouble for him and he prefers to allow his buddy to hold the floatline. Perhaps this is better than having a rope tied to thee diver's body while on the bottom, but NOT taking a floatline down on a freedive has several disadvantages (when spearfishing).

I thought about this thread for a while and then thought of this video. I think it shows the value of having a floatline attached to the gun. Unless you are always diving with top to bottom visibility, then the floatline allows the safety diver on the surface to more easily track the diver on the bottom. When there are currents this is important. In the video you see the diver has disappeared, but i can see where the line vanishes, so have a good idea where he will surface. "One up - one down" - only really works when the diver on the surface knows where the other guy is.

A freediver who black out at depth is pretty much gonna die - however it is really a very unusual situation (to occur at depth). Freedivers almost always (99%) will BO at the surface or just below, so if the safety diver is watching and close, the diver should be able to survive a BO.

So in addition to being able to track the diver from the surface, the floatline allows a diver (who ever-extends his welcome), to simply ditch the gun (and not lose it). With no floatline, the diver will have a choice to push himself to the edge of BO or voluntarily ditch and lose the gun. Too many divers will NOT abandon the gun (when they should) and their judgement is clouded by oxygen deprivation.

So in this video, you can see the diver leaves the fish on the bottom and just swims up. It looks like he nearly blacked out on this dive. Without a floatline, the gun and fish would have been lost .. unless we went back down with scuba gear in these depths and currents.

On the second dive to recover the fish, the diver frees it on the bottom and drags it toward the surface, but the depth and drag of the fish is too much for him, so once again, he (wisely) ditches the gun and fish and ascends unhindered. The fish and gun are easily recoverable because the floatline is attached to the gun; having the line tied to the diver's body would be a detriment in this situation.

So this is my attempt to show why a floatline is typically attached to the gun or spearshaft. Hopefully nobody has a video about why it is dangerous to tie ropes to freedivers bodies when spearfishing around a reef.

[video=youtube;CG8ddeB-3C8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG8ddeB-3C8[/video]
 
When I am freedive spearfishing, I like the torpedo float to be attached to my gun..as Dumpster says, you don't want to find you cant get the fish up, and letting go of the gun means losing a several hundred dollar speargun....
My comment was for freediving with a camera, or sightseeing....stuff that ties in with my Project Seahorse program for general population snorkeling, evolving to freediving.
Lots of people could enjoy freediving without a speargun--but it does seem that most that freedive today, either are spearfishing, or going for depth records....


I'd rather promote GoPro use, smartphones in a case, or sightseeing for the masses....which for us begins with the kids.
 
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