Smoking on a dive boat

[261311]

Bringing in treatment of sick smokers as a cost to our great medical system has been discussed at length. What about the over-eaters, substance abusers (other than tobacco), couch potatoes? It's just an unending discussion. Then on that past thread, we continued on to seat belts.....People like me who think N.H. gets it right, that there should be no seat belt laws for those of legal age, can't possibly be socialists.

No disagreement there, especially since over-eating, drugs and laziness are also all choices that affect your health a lot.

Personal choices and freedom cannot be mandated by law

What? It's done all the time. Everywhere.

We even have a Conservative P.M. once again. Lots of people don't like him.

The man I voted for is 6 feet under right now I'm not crazy about Harper, but I also realize he's not the worst. Not a fan of Bush and Obama fever died down since we've passed the whole "race barrier". He made a ton of promises he couldn't have ever kept and got castrated for it, politics is more than just a constant learning experience however and this is his last term so the next race should be interesting for sure. Any more talk of this and I'm afraid I might get water boarded for differing political opinions

 

[TMHeimer]

261311, Yeah, I agree with all of that. Also seems odd that people (even at my age or older) never seem to get it that while they differ here & there, politicians are pretty much cut from the same cloth. Sorry I may have moved this away from the smoking topic, but most of us moved away from the OP's initial question long ago anyway.

 

[goflyplanes]

I know this thread has gone about 14 different directions at this point and I am SO late to the party...

I totally understand not smoking on boats in the US. A majority of people aren't smokers and it's just plain rude to smoke in their face. Which really is what it comes down to is that people who are rude regardless of the issue should be shot. If an op says its ok to smoke you can guarantee I'll have a cigarette in mouth mouth a solid majority of the time, but I will walk around for about 10 minutes to figure out the best possible place to smoke that inconveniences the least amount of people. As far as this whole North America vs Europe thing goes....yeah really please never dive here if this is your attitude. I am only aware that smoking is an issue because I grew up in the US. 99% of Europeans wouldn't even think to have a non smoking boat because really who would EVER go on it!!! If you are that sensitive to smoke and the chemicals that are in it, I totally understand and you should also be considerate and pick a dive op that doesn't allow onboard smoking, oh and don't leave the US it won't work out well for you, you can't pick boats that allow it and then moan about it later.

To put this Europe thing in perspective I'll explain it this way. I smoke, probably more than I should, but I absolutely REFUSE to smoke inside my apartment. My housekeeper, Italian woman (hate her but it's part of my damn contract), chain smokes the entire time she's here. Not once has she ever asked me if it was ok, and even when I open up every single window and turn on fans she still doesn't get it. It's just their thinking, it's not purposely rude, they just genuinely don't know any different.

 

[Tigerman]

Just to kill this entire "Europeans dont care about smoking" BS once and for all.
Its UNTRUE that we dont and some european countries has rather strict anti-smoking LAWS..
Yes, I did say LAWS. A bar in ceratain european countries that would allow their guests to smoke indoors would lose their license to serve alcohol and in effect comitt financial suicide.
Smoking indoors in ANY building other than your own home is illegal in several european countries. In Italy, as it was brought up, its actually only legal to smoke in dedicated rooms of public buildings and if your maid smoke in your appartement youre allowed to Don Corleone or his friends I think..

 

[Scott L]

It is a rather easy topic to settle. Patronize charter boats who fit your ideal. Smoking or no smoking.

 

[dfx]

As far as this whole North America vs Europe thing goes....yeah really please never dive here if this is your attitude. I am only aware that smoking is an issue because I grew up in the US. 99% of Europeans wouldn't even think to have a non smoking boat because really who would EVER go on it!!! If you are that sensitive to smoke and the chemicals that are in it, I totally understand and you should also be considerate and pick a dive op that doesn't allow onboard smoking, oh and don't leave the US it won't work out well for you, you can't pick boats that allow it and then moan about it later.

Um, no. I grew up on Austria, which has had and still has an extensive smoking culture. I never smoked myself. Smoking bans in public places have only been introduced relatively recently. When I was young(er), it was impossible to go anywhere, restaurants, pubs, coffee shops, whatever, without being exposed to smoke and active smokers. But that doesn't mean I didn't hate it with a passion all my life! Never mind the chemicals and the health issues, it just freaking reeks! What's worse is that after spending only half an hour in such a place, you come back home and you stink yourself! But yeah, you had the choice of either staying home and locking yourself in, or accept the fact that you're gonna be exposed to the stench pretty much everywhere you go, with nothing that you can do about it and while hating every second of it.

 

[Dondon462]

EASY...if it is NOT illegal to smoke...label it as a SMOKING boat and we can all dive non-smoking boats!!

 

[goflyplanes]

Okay fine I spend wayyyy too much time in Italy/Cyprus/Malta so yeah I'll change my statement from Europeans (which is unfair) to specifically Mediterranean people ... but as far as Italy goes the general attitude is if you have a problem just gtfo. Italy is no smoking indoors unless it's specifically posted, Malta is the same, Cyprus is anything goes...fact still stands you're never going to find a non smoking boat or dive op in the Med.

 

[dfx]

Okay fine I spend wayyyy too much time in Italy/Cyprus/Malta so yeah I'll change my statement from Europeans (which is unfair) to specifically Mediterranean people ...

I think you should rather change your statement to "99% of the $X people who smoke aren't aware of the issue", and I'd say the $X doesn't include just some particular nationality/demographics. Personally I'd say that those people are just inconsiderate a-holes (which, btw, includes my dad). But yes, if you grew up in an area where smoking was ubiquitous, you wouldn't consider saying anything to anyone, because you're used it. You'd still equally hate it though.

 

[Tigerman]

...
fact still stands you're never going to find a non smoking boat or dive op in the Med.

Or a lot of other places even places that does have strict anti-smoking laws, simply because if youre not in the cabin, you are "outdoors" and said laws dont tend to be valid anyways..