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Since we're in the donating mood

Discussion in 'Good Causes, Petitions and Solicitations' started by Diver0001, Jul 6, 2006.

  1. Diver0001

    Diver0001 Instructor, Scuba

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    Actually, this is an interesting trend in the discussion. We started talking about the ethical treatment of animals and now some people are defending the necessity of war.....

    I don't think we could have crafted a more telling twist to this tale...

    R..
     
  2. Diver Dennis

    Diver Dennis Solo Diver

    Look at Rwanda. Most of the weapons were machetes or clubs. Rob is right, efficiency does not equate to humane.
     
  3. wardric

    wardric Divemaster

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    In today's war, at least for US soldiers, less death but more "seriously wounded" soldiers. The protection is so good around the chest and the medics are so well equipped and fast that you see a lot of soldiers that lose all members yet survive. At least, that's what I read (and noooo, not in the Enquirer :sigh:)
     
  4. wardric

    wardric Divemaster

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    You make a very good point there Dennis. Rwanda and Burundi was a real massacre.
     
  5. wardric

    wardric Divemaster

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    that's the quality of a good Troll :wink:
     
  6. dlndavid

    dlndavid 私は寿司およびアジア女性を食べるだScubaBoard Supporter

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    where's Jep anyway?
     
  7. dherbman

    dherbman Instructor, Scuba

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    You are using the French army as an example of military ingenuity? Too funny.
    Practiced, but certainly not at the level made possible by technologies developed for military and intelligence use. Hubble would never of been possible without rocket science, satellite technology or the electronics driven by a need for defense.
    Actually, one of the first practical uses for a computer was to compute artillery trajectories during WWII. It's common knowledge that current consumer technology lags behind military tech by several years. In the past there was an even broader difference.
    HF certainly was the first person to utilize an assembly line, but his technique was pushed to a new level by the demands of war. Much was learned by manufacturers in the process of retooling for the war effort that would have taken decades to realize during during peace time.
    Military and intelligence have fueled R&D, driven production, provided civilian benefits with trickle down technology gains and funded civilian developments indirectly by propping up companies with the military dollar. As a counter point, perhaps you could point out a peaceful society that has progressed technologically independent of a warring nation.
     
  8. H2Andy

    H2Andy Blue Whale

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    you have clearly not read much about WWI.... the French Army was the second
    best prepared army in Europe, second only to the Germans. they had state of the
    art technology. :wink: and prior to that... there was this guy named Napoleon
    that kicked butt all over Europe for a while ... he was French too :wink:

    but let me clarify: no army at that time had incorporated the internal combustion
    engine, not the Germans, not the British, not the Austrians. nobody had.

    the only Army that thought of using cars was the French, and they had to improvise
    and requisition taxi cabs.

    clearly, the internal combustion engine was not a military development later used
    for civilian purposes, but the other way around.


    you are framing the problem wrong. i would suggest you read John Keegan's
    A History of Warfare, and Jared M. Diamond's Guns Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies.
     
  9. dherbman

    dherbman Instructor, Scuba

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    I'll give you the internal combustion engine and bow to your superior knowledge of WWI, but it doesn't change the fact that defense has fueled innovation and production to an extent that would never be realized without it.
     
  10. H2Andy

    H2Andy Blue Whale

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    well, read the books ... if anything else, they're very entertaining reads

    warfare can accelerate some development, but it more often overtakes any possible advancement being made and leads to a society's stagnation and
    ultimate defeat when its overwhelming cost overtakes the society's ability to
    keep up.

    for examples, see the Roman Empire, the British Empire, and the Soviet Union.
     

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