Shadow Divers -- The Movie

[pilot fish]

You may try and defend what you said, but to me:
"I don't think it's equipment as much as training that they skrimped on" (post#113)
"they also did not follow any safe guidelines, ever." (post#121)
are assertions/opinions.
I had also told you that they would have preferred to use Trimix (hard to do without training, no?) - so questioning again whether they had that training is not exactly polite now, is it?

Maybe you didn't really mean it the way it came out, but if Sue Rouse read your comments about her husband and son (which for all I know she might of), I could imagine they would be extremely upsetting posted in such a public way on the largest scuba diving internet site in the world, especially if left uncountered.
If you really want to understand more about them I highly suggest that you get "The Last Dive" - I am reasonably certain that you would regard them in a different way to now. "Shadow Divers" isn't really about the Rouses - "The Last Dive" is.

No, I did not mean it as you might have thought. It is indeed tragic that they died. I wish it were otherwise.

I will put last Dive on my to read list. I'm sure it would give me a different view of them, as you suggest.

 

[mossym]

I will put last Dive on my to read list. I'm sure it would give me a different view of them, as you suggest.

Hey PF..apart from the whole trimix debate here..it's an excellent read anyway!!

 

[DiveGolfSki]

Hey PF..apart from the whole trimix debate here..it's an excellent read anyway!!

I agree. It's a good read ... hey it's summer.

BTW, regarding the whole trimix debate. Was there any Trimix certification going on during the Rouse's time? I think the use of Nitrox and training on it was just in its infancy. Wasn't it?

 

[pilot fish]

Hey PF..apart from the whole trimix debate here..it's an excellent read anyway!!

Thanks, Moss

 

[pilot fish]

I agree. It's a good read ... hey it's summer.

BTW, regarding the whole trimix debate. Was there any Trimix certification going on during the Rouse's time? I think the use of Nitrox and training on it was just in its infancy. Wasn't it?

good question. I have no idea

 

[Kim]

BTW, regarding the whole trimix debate. Was there any Trimix certification going on during the Rouse's time? I think the use of Nitrox and training on that was just in its infancy wasn't it?

Yes, it was brand new. I looked it up in the book to be sure and as I posted earlier they did Sheck Exleys' mixed gas course with Billy Deans in 1990. (onfloat supplied the Billy Deans part) I believe they were some of the first people anywhere to learn how to use it. This was at a time (according to the book) that PADI and the other agencies were mounting a huge anti-voodoo gas campaign at DEMA against the use of Nitrox - let alone Trimix. Don't times change!
IMO these guys were all pioneers who we owe a lot to for what we now have available - both in equipment and technique/training.

 

[simbrooks]

IMO these guys were all pioneers who we owe a lot to for what we now have available - both in equipment and technique/training.

It sounds like these guys were among the whole host who died for various reasons and at least helped us see where errors come up so we can devise guidelines around those kinds of circumstances. I have yet to read either book, but i can appreciate what they or the others who died gave us beyond a book written about the events.

 

[headhunter]

The reason I put a question mark after my sentence was because I was not sure if they were trimix certified [Not sure they were trained in trimix? ], which is not an assertion. Kurson also protrayed them in Shadow Divers a dive duo that constanly quarreled, which, I think, seems like divers not totally focused. Of course it is sad they died.

I just read the book and finished it a couple of days ago. Kurson said that while they quarreled top side that they were a dive team beyond compare underwater (my paraphrase).

Please stop casting aspersions on these divers without regard to the facts. I will not argue this point with you as I feel it is unnecessary and off topic.

Christian

 

[pilot fish]

I just read the book and finished it a couple of days ago. Kurson said that while they quarreled top side that they were a dive team beyond compare underwater (my paraphrase).

Please stop casting aspersions on these divers without regard to the facts. I will not argue this point with you as I feel it is unnecessary and off topic.

Christian

Kim and I had settled this point, Head Hunter.

 

[DiveGolfSki]

Kim and I had settled this point, Head Hunter.

I think you did too. Let's move on for as Yogi has said "the future just isn't what it used to be"