Shadow Divers -- The Movie

[grouchyturtle]

cool
i hope they dont put alot of unnessary drama in it to try and make it more apealing.

i wonder if there gonna use the seaker at all?

Last I heard the Seeker was sold a few months back and is moving South to become a fishing boat.

 

[grouchyturtle]

In response to a few of the recent posts:
As far as I know the remains have not been removed from all the wrecks in Truk.

I'm a newbie wreck diver, not doing anything to deep or any major penetrations yet, but as Seen said earlier, except for a few artificial reef projects, I doubt you'll find too many wrecks around here that didn't involve at least a few casualties.

I also see nothing wrong with diving that US sub mentioned earlier as long as bodies arean't distrurbed. Lastly, as far as artifacts, I guess it really depends on what the artifact is. Removing something that would be considered the standard equipment on a ship I guess is ok. Removing something that's someone's personal property is a different story. But is it ok to remove something that is someone's personal property if that someone didn't die inside that wreck? I don't know.

I also (unfortunately) know people who have taken body parts from the wrecks in Truk. It makes me very sad. Those people rank with the grave robbers of Egyptian tomes and the Roman catacombs. No matter what the rest of humanity tries to do, there will always be people that will plunder and have little societal conscious.

Now this is ****ED UP! Besides just being moraly wrong. I heard a great quote. Now this is all third hand, but basically someone was offered a lot of money for a human skull from a U-boat. He told this person "F U, go and dive for it yourself." This diver told one of my buddies, that besides just being wrong, he was afraid that if he was to put a skull in my bag that he'd join them down there and never leave that wreck!

 

[PhotoTJ]

If you like double hose regulators and diving vintage gear it is hard to beat "The Creature From The Black Lagoon". As far as Shadow Divers go I'll buy the movie. I am sure it won't be as good as the book, but any one who did not like the book better stick with Harry Potter.

:11: Hey! I liked the HP books better than the movies! Just what are you implying?

 

[PhotoTJ]

And the other one is ...ugh...TENNIS!

Well, it's obvious to me that Andy Roddick will be played by Sean Willian Scott, and Merit Safin by Ben Afflack. They look just like them.

 

[PhotoTJ]

...*snip*...The same impulses that allow us to show our respect for the German war dead is part of what was missing in their ideology, an ideology that allowed them to treat outsiders as less than human, with the obvious consequences. In a way, to show their remains respect is a wonderful symbol of our victory over that ideology.

-G

Well said!

 

[Sean326]

as far as i know, all bodies have been removed from the ships at truk...

What???... I've never heard that.

think about it,who would do that?

During the war the allies or axis may have wanted to salvage truk but it would have been for material and war supplies.

After the war that would have required cutting edge technology and years of work to remove hundreds or thousands of bodies from dozens of ships. the Japanese or Germans couldn't do it and why would we (US, Australians or British) bother?

Long after the war maybe the early 70's recreational divers or dive trip operators could have done it but remove what.... millions of bones??? to put them where???? and why??

Yeah... I was right, just google Truk you'll find lots of pics, in just a few mins i reviewed a dozen pics and several had remains clearly visible...

 

[mossym]

i thought i read somewhere that in the 70's the japanese had undertaken a huge project to remove the bodies...now i'm wondering where i read it..let me look and see if i can find something about it..

 

[mossym]

okay..here:
http://www.divetheblue.net/article.php?id=995

this isn't the article i read, the one i read said it had been a pretty extensive search, and that they had recovered all the bones they could..but according to the one i linked,

"The bones of many sailors and soldiers were recovered from various wrecks and cremated in a Shinto ceremony in the mid 90s but skulls, femurs or entire skeletons still lie in many of the ships."

 

[Sean326]

i thought i read somewhere that in the 70's the japanese had undertaken a huge project to remove the bodies...now i'm wondering where i read it..let me look and see if i can find something about it..

I would guess even back in the '70s the hundreds or thousands of bodies would have become millions of scattered bones.

Like I mentioned above, review a dozen random pics of the wrecks. The first page of the first website I hit had a skull front and center.

And like I said a few pages back except for a few artificial reef projects and some insurance fraud cases most wrecks resulted in at least some deaths. So if you are a wreck diver you've dove over remains. You may not have seen them but they were there.

 

[Sean326]

"The bones of many sailors and soldiers were recovered from various wrecks and cremated in a Shinto ceremony in the mid 90s but skulls,"

As I read the article it sounds like a token gesture for a religious ceremony,
the article mentioned the recovery was from 1 ship in the 90's and goes on to say:

"femurs or entire skeletons still lie in many of the ships."

If there was a comprehensive recovery from truk with the removal of remains from all these locations, some deeper than 600' we would be discussing and studying the logistics of it for years


Shipwrecks
Aikoku Maru Amagisan Maru Fujikawa Maru
Hanakawa Maru Heian Maru
Hino Maru No.2
I-169 Kensho Maru Kikukawa Maru
Nagano Maru Nippo Maru Oite
Rio De Janeiro Maru San Francisco Maru Sankisan Maru
Tonan Maru No.3 "Tugboat Wreck" "Tugboat Wreck"
Fujisan Maru Fumitsuki Gosei Maru
Hoki Maru Hokuyo Maru Hoyo Maru
Kiyosumi Maru Matsutani Maru Momokawa Maru
Ojima Patrol Boat No. 34 Reiyo Maru
Seiko Maru Shinkoku Maru Taiho Maru
Unkai Maru No.6 Yamagiri Maru Yubae Maru
Futagami Sapporo Maru

Unidentified and MIA Shipwrecks

"Gun High Wreck" Hakushun Maru Sub Chasers No. 38
Katsuragisan Maru Naka Sub Chasers No. 66
Tachikaze Gyoraitei No. 10 Sub Chasers No. 46
Kotohira Maru Minsei Maru Subchaser No. 29
Taijun Maru Akagi Maru

Submerged Aircraft

Zeke Zeke Zeke Zeke
Emily Betty Judy Jill


Remember when that US sub sank the Japanese fishing school ship near Hawaii.
It took the navy a year and Millions of $ to recover a dozen bodies and it became a documentary on the discovery channel.