Seeking Opinions on Troubling Incident

[Diver0001]

You weren't there, don't know what happened (other than what has been posted here) and you want someone arrested for pushing? Wow.

"He-said she-said" is NEVER a good enough reason to arrest someone (even if it happens regularly).

The underwater world is full is miscommunication -- there's no reason to get the POLICE involved, especially if there is no photo or video evidence of the alleged "assault".

I'm just going through this thread now so I'll probably respond to a couple of posts as I go.

As far as 'assault' as a crime goes this one is pretty thin but getting the police involved might not be a bad idea for two reasons.

One, because the best way to fight a bully is to stand up to them and making sure that the instructor and the shop are visited by police and that there is a police report generated (even if charges are not filed) gives a very clear message that you (I mean, the instructor/shop/student involved) will not stand for this kind of behaviour. If it happens more than once then the shop may in fact, end up having to fire this employee for the protection of their own business, which is what you want. You want to show them, especially the instructor, that there will (probably) be consequences if it happens again.

Secondly, because this behaviour is creating potentially very dangerous situations under water and *IF* it escalates to the point that it becomes necessary to "go legal" with them, or (heaven forbid) the instructor causes an accident, then the police report(s) will serve as evidence in the case.

Oh, and btw, it's not hearsay if the people directly involved file the complaint.

R..

 

[RICHinNC]

I wonder if the answer to the email would be slanted if the quarry owner or the DM knew they were a prime topic here on SB?

 

[letterboy]

I wonder if the answer to the email would be slanted if the quarry owner or the DM knew they were a prime topic here on SB?

 

[ScubaSteve]

I wonder if the answer to the email would be slanted if the quarry owner or the DM knew they were a prime topic here on SB?

That is a very good question. Most people around here are typically very good about ensuring that the offending parties are notifiesd that they are being discussed and inviting them to come off defence in the public forum but I am not sure if we know who to contact.

Perhaps OffTheWall1 can offer up the name (for the quarry since the Instructor is unknown) so that they can be contacted and given a fair chance to defend themselves. It is after all, the right thing to do. Since the situation happened as described, there should be no reason to not have them partake in this conversation.....it will likely just be the Quarry owner saying that it was not there person and is unacceptable...etc.

 

[letterboy]

That is a very good question. Most people around here are typically very good about ensuring that the offending parties are notifiesd that they are being discussed and inviting them to come off defence in the public forum but I am not sure if we know who to contact.

Perhaps OffTheWall1 can offer up the name so that they can be contacted and given a fair chance to defend themselves. Since the situation happened as told there should be no reason to not have them partake in this conversation.

by providing the shop name and email address Via PM to a MOD or by Ken providing the link for the Shop owner.

 

[ScubaSteve]

by providing the shop name and email address Via PM to a MOD or by Ken providing the link for the Shop owner.

I am all for secrecy however in this case I do not think that secrecy is necessary. What does one have to gain by keeping the name of the quarry a secret? It is like saying I had an accident in an ocean but can't tell you which one. The offending instructor is not being named and at this point it is not confirmed who they were instructing on behalf of (i.e. that quarry shop or another shop).

Either way, I think that a MOD should be the one to send the notification to the quarry owner because it reinforces to the outside world, ScubaBoard's position that everybody gets the opportunity to know when they are being discussed.

 

[offthewall1]

I am all for secrecy however in this case I do not think that secrecy is necessary. What does one have to gain by keeping the name of the quarry a secret? It is like saying I had an accident in an ocean but can't tell you which one. The offending instructor is not being named and at this point it is not confirmed who they were instructing on behalf of (i.e. that quarry shop or another shop).

Either way, I think that a MOD should be the one to send the notification to the quarry owner because it reinforces to the outside world, ScubaBoard's position that everybody gets the opportunity to know when they are being discussed.

At this moment I am awaiting a personal reply from the quarry owner. Once I have had a chance to speak to him and received a response from him, I will share that response with you. I will also invite him during my conversation with him be it via phone or email - to join this thread. I do not feel it is appropriate given the circumstances (that it is believed to be one of his staff members,) to share that information in a public forum without having a private conversation with him first.

If I am unable to reach him and/or he fails to reply to my call and email by Friday
5/22, I will notify a Scubaboard Moderator with the gentlmen's contact information (Quarry Name, Owner name and Phone Number,) and request that the moderator make an attempt to contact him on behalf of the diving community as a whole.

I think this is fair and appropriate as I agree his voice should be heard on the matter.... especially if it is found to be one of his staff members as expected.

 

[letterboy]

I am all for secrecy however in this case I do not think that secrecy is necessary. What does one have to gain by keeping the name of the quarry a secret? It is like saying I had an accident in an ocean but can't tell you which one. The offending instructor is not being named and at this point it is not confirmed who they were instructing on behalf of (i.e. that quarry shop or another shop).

Either way, I think that a MOD should be the one to send the notification to the quarry owner because it reinforces to the outside world, ScubaBoard's position that everybody gets the opportunity to know when they are being discussed.

I don't get an email when I am being discussed though

I understand your point, very valid hopefully the shop does respond.

 

[Joe-Diver]

I don't get an email when I am being discussed though

Because your inbox would be flooded with emails....

 

[letterboy]

Because your inbox would be flooded with emails....

only if they emailed me EVERY time they mentioned me in the back room, or a post got reported