Safety-wise, should divers go straight from Open Water Certification to a deep dive

Safety-wise, should divers go straight from Open Water Certification to a deep dive

  • Yes I am a dive Professional

    Votes: 15 7.5%
  • No I am a dive Professional

    Votes: 40 20.1%
  • Yes I am not certified or have any dive experience

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No I am not certified or have any dive experience

    Votes: 3 1.5%
  • Yes I am a new diver or have little experience

    Votes: 17 8.5%
  • No I am a new diver or have little experience

    Votes: 45 22.6%
  • Yes I am a tech diver or experienced diver

    Votes: 15 7.5%
  • No I am a tech diver or experienced diver

    Votes: 64 32.2%

  • Total voters
    199

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(Last Yes should be No, Mod. please change if possible)

A diver straight out of OW is going to have a handful number of dives and hours experience underwater with skills to match. Some will have better or worse skills than others. They are all in need of more dive experience, in order to acquire the practice and knowledge that enables one to achieve an adequate level of skills competence. An experience level which extends general knowledge, acclimation to a new environment, greater control over skills, gear, underwater situations, in essence, greater comfort and confidence to deal with common and unexpected issues. All of which translate into greater safety. A critical step in a sound learning process which consists of sequential progressive steps.

If this step, in which a diver gains fundamental dive skills in a relatively safe shallow underwater environment is missed, the diver will face a greater risk and danger upon exposure to the greater challenge and complexity of a deep dive. Even when this substantive learning step is not skipped, a deep dive presents a challenge to the diver expanding his limits beyond fundamental skills, into better dive management, a greater understanding of the underwater environment, self awareness, and general underwate problem resolution issues. Skipping this step is a premature and unnecessary exposure to risk. It is not only a question of whether or not this step can be skipped or moved to a higher risk environment with an acceptable success rate, but also whether it is prudent to do so in the interest of imparting good safe diving practice norms on new divers. Therefore, my answer is No.

In some cases a new diver will, by choice or lack thereof, choose to dive in an environment were he will, planned or not, go significantly deeper than OW limits. Sometimes this will happen on a vacation guided dive. The argument can be made that in these cases, it is better to gain first exposure and experience to depth under professional supervision in a class. Yet, these scenarios are mostly avoidable without great inconvenience for the majority, and to be discouraged from a safety perspective by those promoting diver safety through training and safe practice. This can be done by imparting a thorough understanding and setting the example.

To accept this greater risk will likely be the choice of a minority when relevant subject information (risk analysis and consequences) is presented in a thorough, clear and objective manner. Meeting the needs of this minority is certainly not a case for promoting these dives to the general new inexperienced OW diver population. Neither is using the vacation dive operator realities in some cases, who entice divers by touting their training agency affiliations, while violating agency standards and recommendations.

Advanced Diver courses claim to provide the student with additional experience and exposure to different dive environments. Without mention of the unnecessary higher risks and challenges a diver will face when confronted and challenged by some of these different environments, before he has gained the competency necessary to manage and reduce the risks of a less challenging environment. An individual who is very likely to lack the requisite knowledge necessary to make an informed assessment is given the option and asked to make the decision, or worse yet, is manipulated and encouraged into it by those who should have the knowledge and ability to make a sound judgment, and thus should know better. Regardless, I look to see anyone make a case against there not being higher risk and the necessity to accept it at this stage of dive training.

Experience is best gained slowly, gaining an acceptable degree of competence in a challenge, before exposing oneself to other more challenging environments and tasks. I would include night diving in here too. The time to acclimate and gain experienced is a critical aspect necessary to exert control over risk exposure. Step by step progression keeps it manageable. Skipping steps increases the risks of a dive, and reduces the chance that one will adequately manage them.

I have used the premise that the greater depth at issue in AOW is numerous times riskier compared to the beginning OW depth. Everyone can use their judgment, and debate the issue if desired. I do not address the question of how many dives and hours experience most new divers reach an acceptable level of competency to expand their limits with depth. Everyone is different, but a majority probably fall within a narrow range. Comments?

An Advancing class should include things such as buoyancy control, dive planning, navigation, buddy skills, self sufficiency, computer use, deco theory, etc. This may serve to better retain those who decide OW is not enough, and further encourage those who want to progress to more advance diving - safely, instead of it being another filter that quite possibly serves the purpose of weeding out more divers out of our sport.

So, why Yes or No for you?

What justifies exposure to the greater risk inherent in this deeper dive, before an adequate level of basic skills competence has been acquired in an easier environment, and the violation of an optimum learning sequence progression, in a dangerous activity?
 
I said yes. It worked for me. My first dive after certification was in Cozumel with a DM. We went to 90 ft. Would I have went to 90ft by myself....no way. So your poll is somewhat hard to answer. It isn't actually a yes or no answer.

Joe
 
scubajoe:
I said yes. It worked for me. My first dive after certification was in Cozumel with a DM. We went to 90 ft. Would I have went to 90ft by myself....no way. So your poll is somewhat hard to answer. It isn't actually a yes or no answer.

Joe

It's up to everyone's judgment, that's why I included different diver categories. Curious to see if there is a difference in percepetion. If you read the thread, it goes into why there is more to it than "it worked for me".
 
jtoorish:
I think there may be too many variables for this to be accurate.

Agreed. Unfortunately, the number of characters one can use in the poll question is very limited. I had a much more precise question. Probably should have given more thought to the poll question, regardless, the general impression is there to take a pulse on peoples perception.
 
Give us some info on the diver's buddy so that we can make a better assessment.

the K
 
The poll doesn't define "deep".
There are places where there is no shallow diving and all OW dives during the course are done at 24m/78ft+ and once certified OW the local operators will take you to any site up to 29m/95ft.
I know other places where operators from the same agency do the course dives at around 8m/26ft and then only consider you qualified to 14m/46ft.
So much for standards.
 
If by straight from OW we mean with less than 10-15 post certification dives then I think from a safety standpoint going deep (>60FSW) that soon represents an unwarranted risk. Most new divers in this position are making "trust me" dives be it with an instructor, buddy or mentor.

Pete
 
So much depends on the individual diver. I have had students who really "got it" from almost their first pool session. These tend to be athletic individuals who already have a healthy respect for the ocean, boating, and are very comfortable in the water. One could argue they have some sort of instinct for diving. I would have no problem taking them to one hundred feet soon after their OW certification.

I have also seen many divers who are just the opposite.

It is just impossible to paint every new diver with such a broad brush.
 
matts1w:
So much depends on the individual diver. I have had students who really "got it" from almost their first pool session. These tend to be athletic individuals who already have a healthy respect for the ocean, boating, and are very comfortable in the water. One could argue they have some sort of instinct for diving. I would have no problem taking them to one hundred feet soon after their OW certification.

I have also seen many divers who are just the opposite.

It is just impossible to paint every new diver with such a broad brush.

True but they all have one thing in common. A lack of diving expierence. I personally think its a bad idea until a little more expierence is built up. Remember to solve problems you have to draw on both your training and your expierence. That coupled with the other contraints of deeper divng, (short dive time, higher gas consumption, narcosis, darkness etc), could be more than the new diver can handle if something doesn't go as planned.

I don't doubt many have done this and gotten away with it. That fact doesn;t make a smart choice for a new diver.

Mike
 

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