Richie Kohler accused of looting

[cdiver2]

Not to belabor my point but regardless of any law, If I leave a sack of money in my front yard or a box of coins in the sea, unattended for God knows how long, it would not surprise me that upon my return, I could no longer find either one. Sure someone broke the law, but I also left the booty where it could be found. Stupid me.

I don't think you are that stupid I don't know what the law is but I seem to remember there was a law on treasure troves, IE you had buried treasure and died.

I should IMAGINE if it was in your front yard and 1/ you are still alive and 2/ could prove that a person had taken it then it is yours.

If you had sold the house and left it, I think you would be calling yourself stupid

 

[MSilvia]

But the conversation is about removing things, and the law is clear on that.

I guess that depends on who has jurisdiction over the artifact, or the wreck on which it was found. Different countries, states, and agencies all have different rules, and in many cases more than one set of laws can be applied. Taking artifacts from a WWII warship may or may not have a clear set of applicable laws, but there are many cases where "casual collection of artifacts" is perfectly legal on shipwrecks in my area.

 

[cdiver2]

I guess that depends on who has jurisdiction over the artifact, or the wreck on which it was found. Different countries, states, and agencies all have different rules, and in many cases more than one set of laws can be applied. Taking artifacts from a WWII warship may or may not have a clear set of applicable laws, but there are many cases

where "casual collection of artifacts" is perfectly legal on shipwrecks in my area.

and where doe's it say it is legal?. I am not being argumentative but if there is an exception to the rule I and I think many others would like to know.

 

[nadwidny]

They came out with this cool new device for capturing artifact data so you can examine it back on the surface without running afoul of decency or various laws. Its called a camera. Mine says Sony on the side. Seriously, google it. There some company called Ikelite that makes housing for them even.

Do you also think that a Playboy or Penthouse is a good substitute for the real thing?

 

[deco_martini]

Do you also think that a Playboy or Penthouse is a good substitute for the real thing?

Do you find that oranges substitute well for apples?

Here are some apples/apples comparison for you:
Its illegal to take black coral off a reef and hence I take pictures of it instead.
Nassau grouper is out of season so I take a picture instead of shooting it.

And since you have a hangup with nude women:
Prostitution is illegal so I go to a strip club instead.

Is this starting to sink in or do I need to draw you a diagram?

 

[aue-mike]

They came out with this cool new device for capturing artifact data so you can examine it back on the surface without running afoul of decency or various laws. Its called a camera. Mine says Sony on the side. Seriously, google it. There some company called Ikelite that makes housing for them even.

When I was in the UK last year our group identified a wreck by recovering the bell to learn the ship's name. The bell was upside down, encrusted, and wedged/locked into the bow winch gear near the forward mast in 260 feet of water. A camera would have been as useful as a grapefruit at that point in regards to identifying the wreck in question.

If you are going to be a smartass, try not to be a clueless smartass.

 

[aue-mike]

And just for reference, in the UK you can recover artifacts from wrecks (excluding warships and certain other designated sites) as long as you report them to the Receiver of Wreck.

 

[deco_martini]

When I was in the UK last year our group identified a wreck by recovering the bell to learn the ship's name. The bell was upside down, encrusted, and wedged/locked into the bow winch gear near the forward mast in 260 feet of water. A camera would have been as useful as a grapefruit at that point in regards to identifying the wreck in question.

If you are going to be a smartass, try not to be a clueless smartass.

If you're going to correct someone you think is being a smartass, try to understand what they mean and say so you won't look like a big dummie when they tell you that they were making fun of people who plunder artifacts when it is legally dubious to do so.

And just for reference, in the UK you can recover artifacts from wrecks (excluding warships and certain other designated sites) as long as you report them to the Receiver of Wreck.

In your situation, it was not. Here's your sign.

 

[LVX]

When I was in the UK last year our group identified a wreck by recovering the bell to learn the ship's name. The bell was upside down, encrusted, and wedged/locked into the bow winch gear near the forward mast in 260 feet of water. A camera would have been as useful as a grapefruit at that point in regards to identifying the wreck in question.

If you are going to be a smartass, try not to be a clueless smartass.

And what happened to the Bell?

Layne

 

[cdiver2]

And what happened to the Bell?

Layne

It is a legal requirement that all recovered wreck landed in the United Kingdom is reported to the Receiver of Wreck,

whether recovered from within or outside UK waters and even if the finder is the owner

. The Receiver of Wreck will investigate ownership. The owner has one year in which to come forward and prove title to the property. During this period it is common for the finder to hold the wreck on behalf of the Receiver of Wreck while investigations are carried out.

Wreck which remains unclaimed after a year becomes the property of the Crown and the Receiver of Wreck is required to dispose of it. Often the finder is allowed to keep items of unclaimed wreck in lieu of a salvage award.

I might add I would not attempt to take anything from a wreck that has been purchased the locals get up tight about that, it may be your last dive.