Richie Kohler accused of looting

[Chatterton]

International law somehow manages to accommodate the academics, the recreational divers, the commercial archaeologists, historically significant wrecks, and sailor's graves. The law is the law, and the details are better left to the lawyers, but that is what we all have to deal with. Anything beyond the rule of law, is ethics. You can debate this stuff all day long, if that is what you want, but who cares? Obey the law, or pay the consequences. If the law does not address our needs as a society, then we need to change the law.

Obviously, Richie is my good friend. I like Jamie from Trident as well. Regardless, if he broke the law then call the cops. It is completely rediculous to try to make this into some sort of public referendum??

As for Rob Rondeau and CDNN, they are incredibley similar, and lame. No wonder they are working together? Rob's website is .rocomdiving-:. and he mentions little about archaeology?? This guy runs charters, especially since he was dismissed from the L'Auguste project two years ago. His competitors are Richie and the Trident. In addition, he has been accused by the RCMP of cheating charter customers. Aside from bitching about Richie and the Trident, what does this guy have to say?

As for CDNN, they are the worst kind of internet tabloind crap. Who are these guys, and who would even consider listening to them? They hide behind their annonymity so people like Richie, Leigh Bishop, and Brad Sheard have no way to fight back against their repeated cyber attacks. They roam from server to server and avoid any sort of resposibility for what they print. I will never do business with anyone who advertises with them.

If I am lying, my name is John Chatterton and I live in Harpswell, Maine. Come and get me.


Have a nice day.

JC

 

[ScubaTexan]

CDNN is to the dive industry what The National Enquirer is to hard news.

 

[jimdiverman]

Obviously, Richie is my good friend. I like Jamie from Trident as well. Regardless, if he broke the law then call the cops. It is completely rediculous to try to make this into some sort of public referendum??

As for Rob Rondeau and CDNN,

JC

People like this only dig themselves a deeper grave. Their baseless claims always backfire in their faces. Anyone who even subscribes to their garbage should have their own ethical meter checked.

John, thanks for weighing in, and you and Richie will always have friends here.

 

[deco_martini]

International law somehow manages to accommodate the academics, the recreational divers, the commercial archaeologists, historically significant wrecks, and sailor's graves. The law is the law, and the details are better left to the lawyers, but that is what we all have to deal with. Anything beyond the rule of law, is ethics. You can debate this stuff all day long, if that is what you want, but who cares? Obey the law, or pay the consequences. If the law does not address our needs as a society, then we need to change the law.

I'm such a big fan of yours that I have trouble writing this reply. However, this vague and nebulous apologetic where you paint a very grey portrait of legality seems out of flavor for you since you go out of your way to mention Japanese whalers doing so illegally in the news blurb on your web site where you link the Sea Shepherd accounts of events.

From their vessel the Steve Irwin, Sea Shepard is engaging Japanese whalers who are illegally harvesting whales in Antarctica

Source: John Chatterton

Mind you, I'm the last person to be judgmental about the law since I downloaded every episode of Deep Sea Detectives with the commercials removed. It just seems to me that if various maritime laws are good enough for whalers they should be good enough for wreck divers.

 

[Teamcasa]

Anything beyond the rule of law, is ethics.

Great point- Thanks John.

 

[AsiaTechDiver]

Why is it always the people who sit in their desks and dream of doing this sort of diving always have the most negative things to say. When i dove the tottori in question you can see just how littered with things that have genuinely fallen off are. If you took the procom guy down there he'd have the biggest catch bag for sure.

Arm chair divers!

 

[cdiver2]

Why is it always the people who sit in their desks and dream of doing this sort of diving always have the most negative things to say. When i dove the tottori in question you can see just how littered with things that have genuinely fallen off are. If you took the procom guy down there he'd have the biggest catch bag for sure.

Arm chair divers!

You have not joined the board today with your first post to defend looting have you?

 

[Rick Murchison]

You have not joined the board today with your first post to defend looting have you?

One man's "looting" is another man's "retreiving, saving and preserving for posterity."
You're just here to bash saving and preserving historically significant artifacts, eh?
Rick

 

[cdiver2]

International law somehow manages to accommodate the academics, the recreational divers, the commercial archaeologists, historically significant wrecks, and sailor's graves. The law is the law, and the details are better left to the lawyers, but that is what we all have to deal with. Anything beyond the rule of law, is ethics. You can debate this stuff all day long, if that is what you want, but who cares? Obey the law, or pay the consequences. If the law does not address our needs as a society, then we need to change the law.

Obviously, Richie is my good friend. I like Jamie from Trident as well. Regardless, if he broke the law then call the cops. It is completely rediculous to try to make this into some sort of public referendum??

As for Rob Rondeau and CDNN, they are incredibley similar, and lame. No wonder they are working together? Rob's website is .rocomdiving-:. and he mentions little about archaeology?? This guy runs charters, especially since he was dismissed from the L'Auguste project two years ago. His competitors are Richie and the Trident. In addition, he has been accused by the RCMP of cheating charter customers. Aside from bitching about Richie and the Trident, what does this guy have to say?

As for CDNN, they are the worst kind of internet tabloind crap. Who are these guys, and who would even consider listening to them? They hide behind their annonymity so people like Richie, Leigh Bishop, and Brad Sheard have no way to fight back against their repeated cyber attacks. They roam from server to server and avoid any sort of resposibility for what they print. I will never do business with anyone who advertises with them.

If I am lying, my name is John Chatterton and I live in Harpswell, Maine. Come and get me.


Have a nice day.

JC

The kettle calling the frying pan black. Gloss over the fact your friend may have done somethng wrong. Complaine about it being made into a public referendum, and then launch into a public tirade about those that reported it. Smoke screen comes to mind.

 

[Chatterton]

I'm such a big fan of yours that I have trouble writing this reply. However, this vague and nebulous apologetic where you paint a very grey portrait of legality seems out of flavor for you since you go out of your way to mention Japanese whalers doing so illegally in the news blurb on your web site where you link the Sea Shepherd accounts of events.


Source: John Chatterton

Mind you, I'm the last person to be judgmental about the law since I downloaded every episode of Deep Sea Detectives with the commercials removed. It just seems to me that if various maritime laws are good enough for whalers they should be good enough for wreck divers.

Thanks for the respectful and insghtful reply. Also, thanks for being a DSD fan. This is the way I see it.

The problem with the Japanese whalers is that a government is going against international agreement. Who do you call, Batman? Sea Shepard is drawing attention to the issue. And by the way, if Sea Shepard breaks the law (they have in the past) then they should pay the price (again, they have).

Rondeau tried a call to the Thai government with a complaint against a guy he had a bad business deal with. That did not work. Then he tried an email campaign, and added Richie. That did not work. Then he went to CDNN with their "Richie the Looter" headline, and the added accusation about the USS Lagarto. Whatever Richie and Jamie did on their trip is well documented in both print and image.

Anyone see any Largarto artifacts? That is because there aren't any. Other than Rondeau and/or CDNN simply making it up, how the heck does Lagarto get in there? He is fabricating a story in the hopes of involving the US Navy, submarine veterans, whatever. This is a vindictive cyber attack against business rivals, end of story.

If Rondeau wants some sort of legitimate ethical discussion on the issues, as opposed to character assasination, why resort to lies or go to CDNN?


Cheers

JC