Richie Kohler accused of looting

[MXGratefulDiver]

Despite out attempts to rationalize otherwise, our motivation to scavenge artefacts is not to preserve them but rather to grab them before someone else does. That philosophy, projected into the cave diving community where divers would start grabbing stalactites for their mantles before other divers could grab them would be absolutely devastating in a cave environment.

More than just that ... it sometimes results in what would be a fascinating look at history being placed off-limits to everybody.

There was a famous case out here in Lake Crescent ... a disappearance of a couple in the 1920's that remained a mystery until just a few years ago, when someone located their car at about 170 feet in Lake Crescent. A painstaking effort was made to positively identify both the car and the human remains found in it ... to the tremendous relief of grandchildren and greatgrandchildren. The car was declared a grave site, located in a national park ... but divers were allowed to dive it.

Over the next year or so, pieces of the car started disappearing ... first the headlights, then the bumpers, then the spare tire ... even the roof. Today, little remains except this ...

>>>Lake Crescent Dive Project<<<

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[cdiver2]

Why do I have to prove anything to you?



and how is that any different than CDNN?

I Just thought you may want to write something meaningful on the subject as you seem to know (from your remark) something about RR that I have missed

 

[JeffG]

I Just thought you may want to write something meaningful on the subject as you seem to know (from your remark) something about RR that I have missed

Just more mud slinging than my snickering.

There are a few Halifax boys that have first hand knowledge of RR's runs to the presses.

 

[cdiver2]

Just more mud slinging than my snickering.

There are a few Halifax boys that have first hand knowledge of RR's runs to the presses.

Has he been proved bogus in other accusations?. I have never heard of him until this came up, then I did a quick search on him

 

[nadwidny]

Has he been proved bogus in other accusations?. I have never heard of him until this came up, then I did a quick search on him

RR is from our area. We know who he is and what he's actually done.

<snort> <cough> LOL was being kind.

 

[JeffG]

Has he been proved bogus in other accusations?. I have never heard of him until this came up, then I did a quick search on him

He has stiffed people on trips and dive trade show advertisement revenue.

He likes to go to the press to get his name in the papers. (He owns his own little paper in small town Alberta )

and he doesn't do the dives.

When some of us contacted him to see if we could join some of the dives he was attempting to setup...he told us "You need balls of steel to be a tech diver"

I'm not even sure he has more than basic nitrox.

 

[nadwidny]

Just more mud slinging than my snickering.

There are a few Halifax boys that have first hand knowledge of RR's runs to the presses.

After the sub fiasco and what he did to them this past winter I don't think he would be wise showing his face around there anymore.

 

[Rick Murchison]

... Despite out attempts to rationalize otherwise, our motivation to scavenge artefacts is not to preserve them but rather to grab them before someone else does. That philosophy, projected into the cave diving community where divers would start grabbing stalactites for their mantles before other divers could grab them would be absolutely devastating in a cave environment.

Here lies the basic disagreement. Caves and wrecks are very different animals. The proposition that a wreck can be "preserved" or "conserved" for future generations of divers just doesn't wash. Those of us who've been diving the same wrecks from whole structure to rubble pile know that it isn't a matter of "get it before someone else does" - it is a matter of "get it before Neptune does" or it's gone forever. And once the collapse begins it proceeds with remarkable swiftness, reminiscent of the "Wonderful One-Hoss Shay."
The second most preposterous premise used by archeologists is that artifacts must be left for the professionals to recover and preserve properly "when funding and manpower become available." That will happen shortly after Hell freezes over, centuries after the last artifact is a mixture of assorted salts disolved in the ocean.
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As for reefed ships, and other ships with "no historical value," their value is as reef material, and there's really no reason to "salvage" anything off them... and I say leave 'em alone.
Rick

 

[aue-mike]

Here lies the basic disagreement. Caves and wrecks are very different animals.

Moreover, not all wrecks are the same. The generally stable environment of the Great Lakes and other areas are vastly different than open exposed ocean environments, especially those areas subjected to currents, warm oxygen-rich waters, and tropical storms and hurricanes.

 

[Rick Murchison]

Moreover, not all wrecks are the same. The generally stable environment of the Great Lakes and other areas are vastly different than open exposed ocean environments, especially those areas subjected to currents, warm oxygen-rich waters, and tropical storms and hurricanes.

Yes, yes, I should exempt those wrecks in deep, cold, fresh, calm, worm-free waters from my argument, as I'm really only thinking of wrecks in the open sea.
Rick