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Resort's " New Normal " Rule - No AIR 2 or diving your long hose

Discussion in 'General Travel & Vacation Discussions' started by beaverdivers, May 21, 2020.

  1. beaverdivers

    beaverdivers ScubaBoard Business Sponsor ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    I appreciate everyone that has added input to this thread, regardless of their viewpoint.

    Masha Danki!
     
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  2. Mike Walker

    Mike Walker Nassau Grouper

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    Theory:

    - Knowledgeable and well respected dive op in geographic location best known for diving freedom but also part of EU through indirect connections realizes it should probably do something about this whole 'COVID thing'.

    - Dive op talks to insurance company and gets told 'make sure you use 'best practices' if you don't want us to drop you.

    - Dive op gets their 'best people' (i.e. those with nothing better to do) around a table... probably in a bar... to build a 'policy document' that makes sure they adequately cover 'best practices' so that they remain covered by their insurer.

    - Dive op publishes said policies to placate their insurer.

    - Dive op continues to operate in reasonable and logical fashion to please their customers. Maybe incorporates a few ideas from 'best practices' document because hey, they might actually be good ideas.

    - No one gets sued.

    This is called success.

    Though 55 pages of discussion regarding the proper technique of vomiting underwater has been fascinating.

    And I've been wrong before.

    Once or twice...

    No I will not stop spitting in my mask.

    Also... stop rinsing your spit-filled masks in the ****ing camera tank. Use the hose.. or the ocean...
     
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  3. KenGordon

    KenGordon Rebreather Pilot

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    Generally having procedures and wilfully ignoring them is less supportable than not having procedures at all.

    As long as everything is going well it is ok, when something goes wrong and questions that compare and contrast the rules with what was done on this occasion it all gets much less ok.
     
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  4. Mike Walker

    Mike Walker Nassau Grouper

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    I would agree for behavior of employees - they do need to actually walk the walk there.
    But most of the concern here is with restrictions placed on the clients.
    The shop is not the 'dive police'.

    Putting up a big sign with 'best practices' and 'policy' is probably enough CYA to placate their insurers and lawyers for anything that is not explicitly a 'class'.
    Seems to work for all the property managers that put up 'caution: falling ice' signs every winter around the CBD here. It's sure cheaper than fixing the problem.

    And, as mentioned - there's probably a few things in there that are actually good ideas and they can lean on those to 'look like they are doing something'.
     
  5. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    So, you guys actually think this is a sham, that it will be business as usual and there will be no honest attempt to protect guests and staff?
     
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  6. uncfnp

    uncfnp Solo Diver ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Not a sham but it is just human nature. Look at my local Food Lion. They went to obvious and sincere lengths to impliment the new business guidelines. Opposite entry and exit, cleaning carts, well marked one way aisles. All ignored by the general public.
     
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  7. Edward3c

    Edward3c Instructor, Scuba

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    Its great such signs don't protect owners or employers here in the UK. If someone is injured from something falling, and the owner/employer just put up warning sign without taking other action to prevent injury, they would be crucified in the Courts (and most likely find their insurer would walk away).

    For example, a sign saying “beware of falling tiles”. If no safety zone were erected the sign would be used against the owner/employer for knowing there was a problem, but they did nothing about it.
     
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  8. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Yes, but that's different. That is the public ignoring the rules. The implication of those previous posts is that the resort would ignore the rules, once they've posted them.
     
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  9. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That's interesting. My local grocery store is a Giant. There is an employee at the one way entrance/exit observing all patrons. Face coverings are required of all shoppers and is enforced at entry. The employee makes an entry on a tablet, not sure if that is tracking number of shoppers in the store or what. All employees wear masks. Though not required, there are at least 3, well stocked, cart cleaning stations on the way into the store. Cashier stations are run with a queue, controlled by an employee. The only thing they have done away with are the well marked, one way aisles. These were previously also controlled with reminders by employees, they were eliminated in the last 2 weeks.

    Maybe this just reflects differences in the states and/or communities in which we reside
     
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  10. uncfnp

    uncfnp Solo Diver ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That sounds more like our Costco. The only other store I frequent is Lowes hardware and here too you could see attempts to control customers and comply with safety measures, mostly unsuccessful and now eliminated.
     
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