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I'm sure any of the regs will work fine; don't forget that a few decades ago pro divers were doing extreme dives on regulators that most OW students would not take in a pool these days. It's too bad; reg technology has not significantly improved in the last couple of decades.

It's important to be able to get your reg serviced easily, reasonably, and most importantly by a competent tech. This is exactly why I got into DIY service, and it was the best dive related decision I ever made.

If you want to save some money, consider a used scubapro MK10/G250, or something similar. I spent $84 on a MK10/D300 that has been my go-to reg for a couple of years, and routinely out-breathes new regs costing several hundred. The nice thing about the older SP regs is that parts are very universally available, there is a lot of good information about servicing them, and they're really built well.

For extreme cold water use, you'd want to pack the environmental chamber of the MK10 (or MK5) with PTFE grease. Any competent tech can do that. Regulators are great to buy used if you know what you're buying or can get someone who does to help you. They're designed to be completely rebuilt and can last decades, plus the re-sale value is low, so there are good deals around. If you are planning on primarily very cold water or ice diving, get a fully sealed 1st stage; that's one case where the piston 1st stage is outperformed. A great one is the SP MK17, although it's a newer reg and you might have a tough time finding it used. But, any fully sealed diaphragm reg will be very freeze-resistant.

With regards to the set you have in the photo, if it's your intention to get into technical diving, you might consider starting right off with a modified long hose arrangement. That would be a 5 ft hose for the primary 2nd, a 24" hose for the alternate, worn on a bungie necklace, and a 24" hose for the SPG, with a bolt snap to clip it off on your waist belt.
 
Thanks everyone for the useful comments! Unfortunately many of the products mentioned and recommended on this forum (dive rite, HOG, deepseasupply, etc) are not available in Hungary (Europe) and I would like to avoid ordering stuff from the internet.

The delta 4 is available with a standard hose and with the swivel also, but I figured it's just another part that can fail so I would definitely go with the standard one.

Another thing is that I don't care about resale value since I would rather just give it to a friend to use or use it later for stage bottles.

// The apeks xtx50 looks pretty nice but the first and second stage would cost as much as the whole oceanic setup in the picture above.

I'm curious where you dive, since Hungary is landlocked.

If you change over to a Miflex hose you don't need the swivel anyway.

Adam
 
I'm sure any of the regs will work fine; don't forget that a few decades ago pro divers were doing extreme dives on regulators that most OW students would not take in a pool these days. It's too bad; reg technology has not significantly improved in the last couple of decades.

It's important to be able to get your reg serviced easily, reasonably, and most importantly by a competent tech. This is exactly why I got into DIY service, and it was the best dive related decision I ever made.

If you want to save some money, consider a used scubapro MK10/G250, or something similar. I spent $84 on a MK10/D300 that has been my go-to reg for a couple of years, and routinely out-breathes new regs costing several hundred. The nice thing about the older SP regs is that parts are very universally available, there is a lot of good information about servicing them, and they're really built well.

For extreme cold water use, you'd want to pack the environmental chamber of the MK10 (or MK5) with PTFE grease. Any competent tech can do that. Regulators are great to buy used if you know what you're buying or can get someone who does to help you. They're designed to be completely rebuilt and can last decades, plus the re-sale value is low, so there are good deals around. If you are planning on primarily very cold water or ice diving, get a fully sealed 1st stage; that's one case where the piston 1st stage is outperformed. A great one is the SP MK17, although it's a newer reg and you might have a tough time finding it used. But, any fully sealed diaphragm reg will be very freeze-resistant.

With regards to the set you have in the photo, if it's your intention to get into technical diving, you might consider starting right off with a modified long hose arrangement. That would be a 5 ft hose for the primary 2nd, a 24" hose for the alternate, worn on a bungie necklace, and a 24" hose for the SPG, with a bolt snap to clip it off on your waist belt.

Second hand market is quite limited around here, but I actually found an MK10/G250 for a reasonable price :) Thanks for the tip!

I have been looking into the dir philosophy and there are many things that I really like but a few I consider a bit overkill and that is having a modified long hose for recreational diving (bungie necklace on the other hand seems like a good idea). Cave diving is another thing, but I can always upgrade to a longer hose when I'm ready for the challenge. In an OOA situation in open water a direct ascent is required anyways, where divers usually need to stay close to each other so what additional benefit does a long hose have to offer? Comfort doesn't seem like such an important factor (even after taking into consideration the stress factor) [Maybe if you have to swim in a current with the buddy while sharing air]

I'm still debating however which way to go...

Remember I have very very limited experience as a diver so don't hesitate to correct me :)

I'm curious where you dive, since Hungary is landlocked.

If you change over to a Miflex hose you don't need the swivel anyway.

Adam

Yes that's true unfortunately. I can dive in lakes: they are not so deep (40-50 feet) and the visibility is usually very poor but I enjoy it nonetheless and it's not a bad way to practice buoyancy and other skills.

Surrounding countries especially Austria has some very nice and clean lakes (even with depths over 330 feet) and Croatia is not that far away for doing some weekend sea diving.
 
I can't comment on the cold water part, but if you are going deep enough to use helium, your regulator will breathe wonderfully in my experience due to the lower density of the gas.
 
I have been looking into the dir philosophy and there are many things that I really like but a few I consider a bit overkill and that is having a modified long hose for recreational diving (bungie necklace on the other hand seems like a good idea). Cave diving is another thing, but I can always upgrade to a longer hose when I'm ready for the challenge. In an OOA situation in open water a direct ascent is required anyways, where divers usually need to stay close to each other so what additional benefit does a long hose have to offer? Comfort doesn't seem like such an important factor (even after taking into consideration the stress factor) [Maybe if you have to swim in a current with the buddy while sharing air]

A 5 foot hose routed under your right arm, across your chest, and behind your head is very comfortable to dive with; to me much more so than a standard 26"-28" hose that loops out and pushes the 2nd stage around. It also makes air sharing much easier. Just because you're heading for the surface does not mean you have to struggle. The longer hose does not prevent you from maintaining contact if you want to, it just doesn't force you into it.

Chances are pretty good that a real OOA diver will mug you for your primary, although you can't really predict that, and having your alternate on the bungie is very convenient when/if you have find it in a hurry.

It's not that you "need" this type of arrangement in OW like you do in a cave, it's just you'll probably find it to be more enjoyable and convenient.

You certainly don't need to equate this hose arrangement with DIR; it's a modified hogarthian idea that predates DIR.
 
Although you usually don't want to shop online you might want to reconsider if you can get good prices n great service.

Most if not all tech divers use 1 1st stage n 2 2nd stage so Apeks is very high on the list as their 2nd stage is very affordable.

No 1 on my list is the DS4/XTX50/XTX50 combo:
Apeks XTX 50 DS4. Regulators Regulators, Scubastore.com, buy, offers, dive
+
Apeks Second Stage XTX 50. Regulators Regulators, Scubastore.com, buy, offers, dive

No 2 would be:
FST/XTX100/XTX50
Apeks XTX 100 + XTX 50 Octopus. Regulators Regulators, Scubastore.com, buy, offers, dive

Lastly it would be:
Scubapro MK17 G250V 2010
Scubapro MK17 G250V 2010. Regulators Regulators, Scubastore.com, buy, offers, dive
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Scubapro G250V Second Stage. Regulators Regulators, Scubastore.com, buy, offers, dive

SangP
 
I'm using the apex xtx 200 tungston paied with the xtx 50 octo. No noticable difference in quality, even at 40metres. maybe consider a xtx50 with a xtx20 octo if you wan tto save $$$$? or a xtx 100 /xtx20
 
If you do adopt the bungied backup configuration, DO put at least an octo-length hose on your primary regulator. If you haven't tried a gas-sharing ascent on a 24" regulator hose, you don't know how uncomfortable and stress-increasing that is.
 
I'm also in the process of getting my own gear after a couple of bad experiences with renting.
I'd like to hear other more advanced diver's opinion on this kit:
Oceanic Recession Buster Package
Im looking for something that will LAST...all of my diving takes place in warm tropical waters.
thanks in advance!
 
… I'm a beginner but eventually want to get into some more advanced and technical diving under various conditions (ice, cave, deep). I'm about to buy my first pieces of equipment since renting does not satisfy me for numerous reasons and obviously I want a reg that will preform well everywhere so I dont have to upgrade it in the near future to satisfy my diving "needs"…

Another option is to buy the Oceanic, or an under $180 unbalanced first & second stage regulator, that will more than meet your current needs and demote them to octo, decom, and Oxygen bottle service as your needs demand. Several are approved for cold water or have cold water kits available. These regulators have a long history of reliability, have minimal moving parts, are inexpensive to maintain, and have not changed much in 20 years.
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/peregrine/

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