Pros and Cons of Rigid D-Ring on Hip?

[limeyx]

Thanks. I have seen and tried this but it does not work in the Winter (dry gloves) and with the bottle clips.

It's quite possible in thick drygloves, just takes practice.
I use smaller boltsnaps than 1" though, I think the eye is 3/4" with the slightly flat "bottom" I find the 1" thick/circular ones are harder to manipulate.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

One of the things a lot of people forget, is the DIR rigs were intended for no gloves, florida caves.... This doesn't mean that it can't and shouldn't be applied to cold water, but some stuff is different, which is why I fight with DIR people all the time...

I dunno where you got that idea from ... but I don't have any difficulties clipping and unclipping in this outfit ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[boattech]

I just got my halcyon setup not long ago and had a basturd of a time getting my spg clipped back on so i bent the d ring up like the one on my shoulder straps, now i just slide my hand forward till i feel the ring (not laying flat any more) works great for me.

 

[HenrikBP]

I do my clipping/unclipping with dry gloves ...

I use the 1" (pretty sure that's the size) to be able to slip my ring finger through the ring *with* gloves and liners.

Nick, are you thinking of the 1 1/4" snaps with the round ring? - those get *really* big.

The snap part is the same size on sizes 3/8" to 1" - only the ring changes size. See picture here: http://www.piranhadivemfg.com/shop/images/59.jpg

The whole list here: Swivel Bolt Snaps Piranha Dive Manufacturing The big "round ring" 1 1/8" and 1 1/4" at the bottom.

Henrik

 

[rjack321]

It's quite possible in thick drygloves, just takes practice.
I use smaller boltsnaps than 1" though, I think the eye is 3/4" with the slightly flat "bottom" I find the 1" thick/circular ones are harder to manipulate.

+1
You want the large ringed but medium snap hook sized ones. I can't figure out the different names for these from different suppliers unfortunately.

The massive ringed and hooked ones are not as useful cause its easier to double clip multiple items with them.

To the OP I recommend more practice. Finding and clipping the left D-ring can be a challenge for people diving a hogarthian/DIR rig with a bolt snap on the SPG for the first time. Assuming they get that polished... They add bottles like you did and its a couple steps back again.

You want the non-fixed D-ring. The fixed will dig into your hip as the bottle(s) move around.

 

[Gombessa]

This doesn't mean that it can't and shouldn't be applied to cold water, but some stuff is different, which is why I fight with DIR people all the time...

Sax, are you the same guy who recently posted about how you don't like drysuits and Thinsulate because they're just too overheating unless you're in 40-degree water, and how you need to add 15-20 degrees to your own cold tolerance when suggesting thermal protection to others? In that case, I don't think it's DIR you're at odds with, just homo sapiens in general

I'd have to fall back on LCF's words in that thread: "But I really have to completely discount any subjective opinions from someone who thinks that Thinsulate is too hot."

Thanks. I have seen and tried this but it does not work in the Winter (dry gloves) and with the bottle clips.

Lobzilla, there are large communities of DIR divers throughout the world who dive weekly (or daily) in cold (45-55 degree) water, with either drygloves or thick wetgloves. As others here have mentioned, it's definitely possible to work the snaps and rings naturally with either, but it does take a little practice to get used to the reduced dexterity. Of course, everything a bit easier if you don't need to worry about gloves.

 

[Lobzilla]

Agree, that practice makes perfect but there are proven ways to hold a golf club, index a firearm magazine, tie a shoe lace, etc.

What is the simplest, most reliable way to clip and unclip a bottle with butterfly snaps?
As far as just the orientation of the snaps with respect to the ring is concerned I can come up with 4 permutations. Furthermore, there are probably half a dozen ways to open the gate and to manipulate the D ring into the snap.

Instead of practicing all possibilities to the point that I can assess which method is the most reliable, I would like to capitalize on the collective knowledge of those who have done this a couple hundred times.

Photos would be great.

 

[LiteHedded]

Agree, that practice makes perfect but there are proven ways to hold a golf club, index a firearm magazine, etc.

What is the simplest, most reliable way to clip and unclip a bottle with butterfly snaps?
As far as just the orientation of the snaps with respect to the ring is concerned I can come up with 4 permutations. Furthermore, there are probably half a dozen ways to open the gate and to manipulate the D ring into the snap.

Instead of practicing all possibilities to the point that I can assess which method is the most reliable, I would like to capitalize on the collective knowledge of those who have done this a couple hundred times.

Photos would be great.

I believe you may be in the wrong forum for that

 

[Lobzilla]

I believe you may be in the wrong forum for that

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Agree, that practice makes perfect but there are proven ways to hold a golf club, index a firearm magazine, etc.

What is the simplest, most reliable way to clip and unclip a bottle with whatever snap is appropriate? As far as just the orientation of the snaps with respect to the ring is concerned I can come up with 4 permutations. Furthermore, there are probably half a dozen ways to open the gate and to manipulate the D ring into the snap.

Instead of practicing all possibilities to the point that I can assess which method is the most reliable, I would like to capitalize on the collective knowledge of those who have done this a couple MILLION times.

Photos would be great.

 

[LiteHedded]

i just do it whatever way happens to be easiest at the time. I think the idea of practicing to the point where you can assess which method is the most reliable, that you're dismissing, is the best way to go.

it's just a bolt snap.