Please help me stop!

[ERP]

I guess I don't understand the need to justify either viewpoint.
Do whatever you feel safe doing and enjoy it. Despite what someone reading scuba forums might think, diving is by enlarge a safe sport. Equipment rarely malfunctions and as long as you don't panic very little is likely to kill you on recreational dives.
I do dive a 7ft hose and a backplate and wing and I have done several GUE courses, and I'd tend to agree that the mentality leads to good buddies, but I wouldn't push it on anyone else, and most DIR divers I've been around are much the same way.
The Internet is the internet, you're not going to change peoples mind on a BBS, you could go to a camera forum, or a tech forum and see a different group of people with the same personalities, presenting the same arguments about whatever pushes buttons there.

 

[Sas]

First of all, those who are offended by this post will cite my limited number of dives - not that many. I live three and a half hours (yes, one way) from the nearest diveable body of water and was certified two years ago this coming Saturday, so I do the best I can. If the best retort you can offer is derision, well, I feel sorry for you.

Maybe wait and see what people will say, rather than assume they will say something negative. It might help you chill out a bit more.

Can anyone tell me how to stop pointing out that there is more than one way to dive? For example, I dive a (rear inflate) BC and am seriously thinking about BP/w, but BP/w-philes (for the most part) think that the only way to dive is BP/w - sure, your system may have advantages for you, but is it the only way to dive, especially if I am an OW diver?

Who are all these nasty BP/W philes? I think a BP/W is better than a rear inflate or jacket BC but that's my opinion and I couldn't care less what other people do and I don't think it is the only way to dive... Obviously I would choose and recommend gear I personally found superior, don't see any issues with this but people like you seem to arc up whenever someone says anything like this

I dive with a slung pony bottle - that too is wrong, according to many vocal elements on SB, despite the fact that many certifying agencies recommend a Y-valve or pony for deep dives. Finally, while learning to hover horizontally has been a great benefit to my diving, I can't bite my tongue when someone posts "you should only dive horizontally."

I have mentioned diving with a pony in a number of forums and also here on SB. No one has criticised me for this.

I also haven't seen anyone post "you should only dive horizontally".

I really don't know where you are getting this stuff... The only times I've seen you complain about this kind of stuff, are threads in which you are the only one complaining about zealotry and no one has actually done the things you are saying. The horizontal thread is a great example of this.

Thanks for all the feedback, people. It seems to me that one vocal element on SB is now conspicuously absent, but I am glad to hear that I am not alone!

There are always going to be people who disagree with you and are vocal about it. I think your posts are always reading too much in to what other people are saying, anticipating (often incorrectly) that people are going to pick on you, getting upset when other people disagree with you (you shouldn't take disagreement personally basically), you don't let things go and you are imagining far worse treatment towards yourself than actually exists.

So my advice is to relax and not take things so seriously and you might enjoy posting a bit more.

I have met about twenty buddies on SB (all with different ways of diving, different gear and so on) and learned a great deal. Some people have been nasty to me and the vast majority have been helpful and lovely. I just don't let the nasty people ruin things, as there are these kinds of people in all walks of life.

And I didn't vote in your poll as none of them match what I think. I think I dive in a way that is superior for me. I have no opinion about whether it is suitable for other people or not. People should do what they like.

Actually one more thing... say you are right (which I really do not think you are) and there are zealots left right and centre attacking you about your diving style and telling you you should do it there way... so what? Does it matter? Just ignore them.

 

[knowone]

Maybe wait and see what people will say, rather than assume they will say something negative. It might help you chill out a bit more.



Who are all these nasty BP/W philes? I think a BP/W is better than a rear inflate or jacket BC but that's my opinion and I couldn't care less what other people do and I don't think it is the only way to dive... Obviously I would choose and recommend gear I personally found superior, don't see any issues with this but people like you seem to arc up whenever someone says anything like this



I have mentioned diving with a pony in a number of forums and also here on SB. No one has criticised me for this.

I also haven't seen anyone post "you should only dive horizontally".

I really don't know where you are getting this stuff... The only times I've seen you complain about this kind of stuff, are threads in which you are the only one complaining about zealotry and no one has actually done the things you are saying. The horizontal thread is a great example of this.



There are always going to be people who disagree with you and are vocal about it. I think your posts are always reading too much in to what other people are saying, anticipating (often incorrectly) that people are going to pick on you, getting upset when other people disagree with you (you shouldn't take disagreement personally basically), you don't let things go and you are imagining far worse treatment towards yourself than actually exists.

So my advice is to relax and not take things so seriously and you might enjoy posting a bit more.

I have met about twenty buddies on SB (all with different ways of diving, different gear and so on) and learned a great deal. Some people have been nasty to me and the vast majority have been helpful and lovely. I just don't let the nasty people ruin things, as there are these kinds of people in all walks of life.

And I didn't vote in your poll as none of them match what I think. I think I dive in a way that is superior for me. I have no opinion about whether it is suitable for other people or not. People should do what they like.

Actually one more thing... say you are right (which I really do not think you are) and there are zealots left right and centre attacking you about your diving style and telling you you should do it there way... so what? Does it matter? Just ignore them.

Do you type as fast as you talk. I'm going to take some lessons.

 

[Sas]

Do you type as fast as you talk. I'm going to take some lessons.

Yea pretty much equal. I am a very fast talker too, my mouth moves too fast for my brain to catch up usually though. Perhaps it is the same with typing

 

[knowone]

Out of the computer machine and into the ocean, where there are no ego's, just a common goal.

 

[DCBC]

There is only one way to dive and that's safely.

The only rules are:

1. Choose an equipment configuration that's suitable for the environment and your style of diving.

2. Receive inclusive training that's meets the safety parameters of the dive.

3. Dive within your safety envelope.

4. You are the only one that can make these judgements.

5. Enjoy the experience.

 

[Crush]

I have mentioned diving with a pony in a number of forums and also here on SB. No one has criticised me for this.

I also haven't seen anyone post "you should only dive horizontally".

I really don't know where you are getting this stuff... The only times I've seen you complain about this kind of stuff, are threads in which you are the only one complaining about zealotry and no one has actually done the things you are saying.

...getting upset when other people disagree with you (you shouldn't take disagreement personally basically), you don't let things go and you are imagining far worse treatment towards yourself than actually exists.

Hi SP,

I can PM you with names, but there are SB regulars out there who have written terse responses to new OW divers, stating `your should not use a pony, ever' and `you should only dive horizontally.' So when you state "I really don't know where you are getting this stuff," I am getting it off SB.

I am not the only one who feels this way. Recently DiverDMD felt compelled to open his post at http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/tanks-valves-bands/333551-looking-purchase-pony-tank.html with:

Now before we have lectures about why and why not to have a pony tank or the pony tank vs. spare air, please refrain to just answer my question:

If you dive with a pony tank, from your experience which size in cubic feet do you think would be more appropriate in my situation?​

Perhaps I should re-read some of my posts, but I try to not get upset (I failed once very recently). When someone posts asking for opinions on gear, I try to stay on-topic, be respectful of them and offer a wide range of options. I only feel compelled to rebut when the OP is barraged with (a relatively small number) of die-hards indicating that his/her choice in gear is inferior.

 

[Crush]

Please allow me to offer an example, couched in the Ford vs. GM debate:

A new diver posts, indicating that he/she is having trouble parallel parking their GM. Most responses are helpful, but the rare pro-Ford, anti-GM person responds with "Ditch the GM and get a Ford." This is where I find it hard to remain silent, for the new diver has just been told publicly that he/she has revealed their ignorance to the masses by buying a GM. That diver may only lurk on SB, or not participate at all.

 

[Walter]

There are many ways to dive, but my style is superior for me on this particular dive. On another dive another style may be better suited.

I would suggest not assuming people will react negatively.

I've dived horse collars, vest, back inflate, BP/wing, and no BC at all. They all work quite well if well designed and if used correctly.

Please allow me to offer an example, couched in the Ford vs. GM debate:

A new diver posts, indicating that he/she is having trouble parallel parking their GM. Most responses are helpful, but the rare pro-Ford, anti-GM person responds with "Ditch the GM and get a Ford." This is where I find it hard to remain silent, for the new diver has just been told publicly that he/she has revealed their ignorance to the masses by buying a GM. That diver may only lurk on SB, or not participate at all.

I think the analogy might be better if you changed it a tad.

A new driver posts, indicating that he/she is having trouble parallel parking their Expedition. A typical response might be "Ditch the Expedition and get a Mini Cooper."

These posts are rarely about brand, they are usually about type.

 

[Garrobo]

The ONLY way to dive is: Enter water, buzz around for a while and leave water.