Please help me stop!

[MXGratefulDiver]

No. You have a righteous response to the people who think: "If I don't dive/train/use that gear, then it's crap" mentality.

Scuba was meant to be fun. Some get their fun by meeting a certain standard. Some get their fun by looking at the pretty fishies. Some get their fun by shooting the pretty fishies. As long as you're having fun, you are a winner in the game!

Now, go have some fun!

... and some get their fun by shooting their mouth off on Internet forums. They're mostly losers ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[boulderjohn]

My thinking was that a deco diver chose a model and calculated his off gassing according to his actual dive profile where as a NDL diver does the same deco (3 minute SS) whether they spend 1 minute at 100ft or 19 minutes.

Except that...

Those NDL dives with the same deco have been extensively studied with many test subjects and peer reviewed articles. That research indicates that the stop is not really necessary, but it can be helpful. It is not necessary because the diver has not built up enough of a nitrogen load to need more than that. Divers can be very confident that what they are doing will work.

In contrast, the decompression diver knows he or she has built up enough of a nitrogen load to form a very real danger. In order to deal with that danger, the diver follows a very precise protocol, a protocol that is highly theoretical and has not had anything like the testing for NDL profiles.

There are all sorts of theories, and they don't agree. Two different divers following the same bottom time profile will use different decompression schedules, and neither one has been more thoroughly tested than the other. Some of the most popular decompression systems being used today have been barely tested at all.

This past October my buddy and I followed the exact same profiles through three days of decompression diving, and we talked openly and with some concern about the theory and the lack of testing for what we were doing in our planning quite a bit. The next day I felt great, better than I have felt after such a series of dives ever, probably.

He was in the chamber.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Except that...

Those NDL dives with the same deco have been extensively studied with many test subjects and peer reviewed articles. That research indicates that the stop is not really necessary, but it can be helpful. It is not necessary because the diver has not built up enough of a nitrogen load to need more than that. Divers can be very confident that what they are doing will work.

In contrast, the decompression diver knows he or she has built up enough of a nitrogen load to form a very real danger. In order to deal with that danger, the diver follows a very precise protocol, a protocol that is highly theoretical and has not had anything like the testing for NDL profiles.

There are all sorts of theories, and they don't agree. Two different divers following the same bottom time profile will use different decompression schedules, and neither one has been more thoroughly tested than the other. Some of the most popular decompression systems being used today have been barely tested at all.

This past October my buddy and I followed the exact same profiles through three days of decompression diving, and we talked openly and with some concern about the theory and the lack of testing for what we were doing in our planning quite a bit. The next day I felt great, better than I have felt after such a series of dives ever, probably.

He was in the chamber.

... or as Ross Hemingway once put it ... "we're all lab rats" ...

... sorry about your friend ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[RJP]

Please help me stop!

Here is your chance - what do you think?

This is like you're umpteenth poll/post/thread on this theme or variations thereon.

Just stop. Seriously.

Seems that you've got some sort of issue around needing the acceptance of others, or to be seen as NOT needing the acceptance of others. (The latter is actually the same as the former, as it's a desire to gain the acceptance of those that don't seek the acceptance of others.)

 

[boulderjohn]

... or as Ross Hemingway once put it ... "we're all lab rats" ...
)

Yes, I know he said that.

And I had his deco program sitting on my computer in the van all weekend. We used a different system.

Who knows?

 

[Crush]

This is like you're umpteenth poll/post/thread on this theme or variations thereon.

Just stop. Seriously.

Seems that you've got some sort of issue around needing the acceptance of others, or to be seen as NOT needing the acceptance of others. (The latter is actually the same as the former, as it's a desire to gain the acceptance of those that don't seek the acceptance of others.)

Thanks RJP,

I appreciate your psychological analysis - normally one would have to pay good money for insight as keen as yours.

In truth I feel that the root of this posting is that I do not suffer fools gladly. This is also likely the reason why I haven't sent you a friend request.

 

[RJP]

In truth I feel that the root of this posting is that I do not suffer fools gladly.

Then why poke them in the eye on a regular basis?

You know what that's called, right?

This is also likely the reason why I haven't sent you a friend request.

You cannot begin to imagine how little sleep I've lost due to that.

;d

 

[Crush]

In truth I feel that the root of this posting is that I do not suffer fools gladly. This is also likely the reason why I haven't sent you a friend request.

Then why poke them in the eye on a regular basis?

Did I miss something, or are you self-identifying as a fool? This thread has become richer than I could ever have hoped for...

 

[Kern]

I still think you need counselling. I feel sure it would help with these posting problems you say you have.

 

[Crush]

I still think you need counselling. I feel sure it would help with these posting problems you say you have.

But what do you do if the voices in your head conflict with your counselor?