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Sorry, wrong. You can dive a Cobalt well past 200' disconnected from the hose just fine; the sensor's not water-sensitive.

Let me correct a misapprehension. The Cobalt, and I expect most other hosed AI computers, uses a ceramic pressure sensor for high pressure. This is not affected by water, and it is perfectly fine to dive the Cobalt with the hose disconnected. We certainly don't see that kind of failure rate, but if you have see failures on your boat, that is not the explanation.
Ron

Hmmm. OK, we always blame it on getting a squirt of water in the quick disconnect. The failure is the AI failing to read pressure properly, almost every time. Very rarely does the computer lock up, although I have seen them stick at xx feet of depth regardless of where the computer is, including on the charging station, it's almost always the AI that fails.

When the Cobalt has failed, there is nothing that we can do to get it to work again. There is no reboot feature (that I've found anyway) to reset the thing and get it working.

Ron, if you're going to be at DEMA, I will come find you to discuss. I happen to be an Atomic Fanboy, so I don't like recommending folks not buy them. I know of specific dive shops that come with me that have this problem, but I don't want to out anyone publicly.
 
I understand that it's smaller than a Petrel screen. But, isn't it still bigger, with the same amount of info, as the typical wristwatch size/style DC? When I looked at them at my LDS, it looked like the 300 was bigger/easier to read than ones like the Aeris Manta or Oceanic OCS/OCi size computers. IOW, probably big enough to be easy for ME to read and maybe the OP and many other people.
They're easy enough to read, mostly.....but in the sun or on bright days in clear water, it can take a little focus to get the screen to clear up. And it's not a matter of being "miserable" to read, the Petrel's is simply much better.

My apologies. I didn't mean to be inflammatory. My point was that we were talking about a generic Rec diver being able to set their own GF. You used your wife as an example of someone who should be able to do this for herself even though (you implied) she doesn't have an "Advanced card". So, the implication is, a person who has no more training than the class for the OW cert should be allowed to set whatever GF they want, with no further actual training. Again, I may just not understand what I'm saying due to my inexperience, but that seems to be on par to saying that someone who has completed OW certification and who was done their own studying of all the material appropriate for basic Nitrox certification should be able to dive Nitrox without actually taking a formal Nitrox certification course.

Gradient Factors seem like the kind of thing that you would not just tell a new OW cert to set however they feel like. And yes, I have read all about GF and I believe I understand what they are and how you use them. But, as I said, I have done the same thing for Nitrox. So, do I think I know what I need to know to dive with my own GF settings and using Nitrox? Yes. Would I? No. Why? Because I also know that I am a prime example of not knowing what I don't know, so I will insist on getting formal training in these things before I dive with them. Which also seems to be a common theme here on SB - "you don't know what you don't know, so don't attempt anything you haven't been trained for." Thus my expressed surprise that you seem to be an advocate of people diving with their own GF settings with no more training that a basic OW cert. 'Cause you KNOW that if you give someone a computer that can have the settings mucked with (even if it requires changing from Rec mode first), there are people who WILL muck with them. "Hey, look! If I set this to 100/100, it gives me way more bottom time! Cool!"

My point isn't that all divers SHOULD modify their own GFs.....it's that divers with the knowledge should be allowed to. My point isn't that ALL divers should, it's that ALL divers should be allowed to think for themselves. Expecting training/certification just to change the conservatism on your computer is a little absurd. Knowledge is all that is needed.

Do you have mask-donning training? How about a boat-diver specialty? Speargun diver specialty? How about split-fin or paddle-fin specialties? Computer diver specialty? I don't have any of that crap, but still do it. I'm not advocating diving Eagle's Nest with no certification, but changing a setting on your PDC doesn't need a cert or training.....simply knowledge.
 
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Digital compasses are also pointless because while very accurate, they suck battery, and take away important info on the screen you need. <snip>

Not in all cases- newer compass/ accelerometer chips are very accurate and use tiny amounts of power- negligible, really. We find it barely detectable. And not all interfaces sacrifice any dive data to show the compass display, but put it all on one screen. Digital compasses can be developed to display accurate headings when held at any angle (not all in dive computers are full 360° compensated, but you can't do this with an analog compass). They can have more advanced navigation features, like multiple angle headings, built in. Lots of warm, clear water divers rarely use a compass and this doesn't matter to them, but for many who dive in poor visibility, a compass is something you use all the time. So for some of us, having it integrated with your primary instrument is a connivence and simplifies the overall package. As with most things, implementations vary, and there is no one size fits all solution.

Ron
 
My point isn't that all divers SHOULD modify their own GFs.....it's that divers with the knowledge should be allowed to. My point isn't that ALL divers should, it's that ALL divers should be allowed to think for themselves. Expecting training/certification just to change the conservatism on your computer is a little absurd. Knowledge is all that is needed.

Do you have mask-donning training? How about a boat-diver specialty? Speargun diver specialty? How about split-fin or paddle-fin specialties? Computer diver specialty? I don't have any of that crap, but still do it. I'm not advocating diving Eagle's Nest with no certification, but changing a setting on your PDC doesn't need a cert or training.....simply knowledge.

For the record, I agree with you. I wasn't expressing disagreement. I was expressing surprise at our agreement. I have already experienced several other "conversations" here on SB that also seem to be a matter of knowledge (versus physical skills and/or actual dive experience) where I felt like the SB Party line was "get trained and certified on X before you do that." I'm not trying to rehash old conversations. Like I said, just expressing surprise that you posted that (which I agree with).
 
Hmmm. OK, we always blame it on getting a squirt of water in the quick disconnect. The failure is the AI failing to read pressure properly, almost every time. Very rarely does the computer lock up, although I have seen them stick at xx feet of depth regardless of where the computer is, including on the charging station, it's almost always the AI that fails.

When the Cobalt has failed, there is nothing that we can do to get it to work again. There is no reboot feature (that I've found anyway) to reset the thing and get it working.

Ron, if you're going to be at DEMA, I will come find you to discuss. I happen to be an Atomic Fanboy, so I don't like recommending folks not buy them. I know of specific dive shops that come with me that have this problem, but I don't want to out anyone publicly.

Yes, I will be at DEMA, please look me up. We have actually very few failures overall with the HP sensing on the Cobalt, so I'm curious to find out what you have seen. Those we have had trace to some mechanical failure like a broken lead- or indicate something more serious, like a leak near the hose end.

The Cobalt 2 has a reboot feature- holding down the BACK and SELECT buttons for 11 seconds will trigger a reset- but this should not be necessary except when doing something like updating firmware. The Cobalt 1 did not have this ability- except by removing the battery. Both have the ability for field calibration of the HP sensor, but this has been very rarely an issue. The early Cobalts had several well publicized problems with leaking around the battery seal, and a recall over the security of the HP fitting, but recent Cobalt 2 production has been very reliable. Happy to fill you in on all the details.

Ron
 
it's a serious little computer. 1.7" OLED, Beuhlmann with GF's, watch sized, has all the features, price is a bit steep at $950, would like to see it in the $800 range, but it's a serious contender against the Petrel for those that want a more travel/warm water friendly computer. i.e. not so big, other than the size there probably isn't a reason to get one, but it's pretty snazzy, and if reliability and all that is good, it's a serious contender to the Petrel
 
This is what I am looking for. Thank you for asking the questions and pointing out the info you did. My last computer was the luna with a transmitter and it was a good computer. Just trying to figure out what set up to go with next and why.

So you are just a troll stirring up trouble by your own admission.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so you are free to feel that way if you want. Note that the quote here from the OP was directed to me. And that none of my posts here were posted with the intent of helping you, but rather the OP.
 
This is what I am looking for. Thank you for asking the questions and pointing out the info you did. My last computer was the luna with a transmitter and it was a good computer. Just trying to figure out what set up to go with next and why.
I would strongly recommend staying with a Luna. It sounds like you were happy with it. The display is easy to read in tropical sunny conditions. The battery life is excellent.

The Luna has an outstanding track record. You are familiar with it.

The new Oled displays look great in the dark, but are not as easy to read as the Luna on a bright day. I compare the display of the Luna to a Kindle, e-reader and the Oled displays to a Nook,e-reader.

The Kindle is easy to read outside & the battery charge lasts over a month. The Nook is easy to read in the dark w/o a light, but very difficult outside & the battery charge lasts less that 24 hours.

The Kindle reads in black & white, the Nook reads in full color. The Nook looks cooler & is more tekkie.

It sounds like the Luna serves your needs.
 

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