Petition for Compulsory Boat Training and Licencing

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Lonefox

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After another weekend shore dive spent fending jetski's away from my SMB, i've decided to submit an e-petition to number 10 requiring that some form of basic boat training and proficiency test be required before someone can operate a motorised boat.
Please sign my petition and pass the link onto your friends to sign also.

Petition to: Require all powered watercraft operators resident in the uk to undergo a proficiency test by law, and be subject to drink drive style regulations. | Number10.gov.uk
 
Sorry I won't sign your petition. While I'm sympathetic to your plight, I have more of a libertarian temperment and don't believe that regulation or any kind of mandatory training would help the situation. You can't regulate common sense or courtesy, plus you create the risk that regulators might look at the situation and decide that the best recourse is to ban diving in some areas.

I suggest you make adjustments to the reality, by either avoiding diving in areas of high boat traffic, building a larger and better float with markings boaters would recognize, such as a drawing of a boat exploding, and signage that reads

WARNING, unexploded naval ordinance, keep away 200 yards

You might also add some kind of strobe light. Consider not towing a surface float at all, but carrying an inflatable float with you and deploying it only at the end of the dive, hopefully in a lower traffic area or close to your own anchored boat.

In the end it isn't a matter of who's right, it's a matter of who fares worst in a collision. Do what it takes to protect yourself and avoid putting yourself in situations where your safety is dependent on the knowledge, awareness, or courtesy of others.

BTW- I'm not sure my signature would do any good anyway, since I'm in the colonies, and I don't think your government cares what we think.
 
The problem with laissez faire approaches is that there are real *ssh*les in the world who need to be regulated... or confined! However, I like the idea of your ordinance sign, don Francisco.

It does seem pretty crazy that to drive a car requires a license, but operating a vessel at sea (where the consequences of stupid mistakes can be pretty costly) does not.
 
I'm totally against mandatory licensing, glad you're proposing it for the UK not the US, our society is over regulated as it is. Every incident I have seen is a matter of attitude not ignorance. Licensing will not change attitude.

We have licensed motorists going over 120 mph on motorcycles through traffic, people zooming around slower cars and cutting off three lanes of traffic because they don't want to wait 30 seconds while a slower driver goes off the exit. Flipping off other drivers and screaming as they maneuver a couple tons of metal at 80 mph. They know they are in the wrong, they don't care. They know they can lose their license, they dont care. Some of them are driving around with suspended and revoked licenses, they don't care. If you want to see how a license affects behavior drive I95 in south florida.

Why punish the majority because of a few *******s. I don't want to go down and spend a day in a class, wait in line and pay money for a useless piece of paper that will not slow down a jet skier. It will not slow down a pompous buffoon who thinks he owns the ocean because he paid a $500K for his boat. If he gets a ticket for getting to close to a beach diver with a flag, he'll complain to his political buddy about those reckless fools a mile out in the ocean where they don't belong.
 
Well, in the uk at present, you can buy a jetski at any age, stick it in the water, knock back as much booze as you like, and then race it up and down 5 knot boat lanes. It's not just about diving, it's about other boat operators, damage to other peoples vessels, local wildlife, of which there have recently been basking sharks and dolphins injured as a result of juvenile motor boat operators harrassing them, and riding over them by accident or otherwise. I myself do not enjoy being over legislated, but I also find that a swim out to a local dive site i use involves frantic SMB waving on the hotter and sunnier days, at one point a pleasure boat even came in extra close so the tourists on board could "see the scuba divers" How were they to be sure that there really were just two of us, and no-one just below the surface.

As for "I don't want to go down and spend a day in a class, wait in line and pay money for a useless piece of paper that will not slow down a jet skier."
You paid money for your diving certification I assume, and you attended courses to ensure you were not a danger to yourself or others. Without your useless diving card, you will find it hard to get air fills and join reputable dive boats. So why do we allow someone to take to the water in something far more dangerous, and make themselves a liability to the public and rescue crews who have to come out and retrieve them when they start sinking, without at least getting someone to sit and run them through the correct way to pass another vessel, rights of way and exclusion zones, (And that an SMB indicates that there may really be someone under the water that they could kill).

Surely something to ensure someone has some common sense before allowing them to take control of a boat isn't a bad thing.
 
Unfortunately you can't legislate common sense, in FL you can lose your drivers license for operating a boat drunk, it doesn't stop people.
 
As I said earlier, it isn't about right and wrong, it's about what works and what doesn't. There is a small percentage of concientious but unaware boaters, which a course would help. Problem is the concientious ones already spend time studing piloting books and trying to do what's rght.

The two legged jackasses which you're contending with would not change their conduct because of licensing or teaching requirements because they simply don't care. So why burden everybody in a fruitless attempt to modify the behavior of a few yahoos.

For regulations to have any meaningful impact on conduct there would have to be a great investment in enforcement, which presents it's own set of problems. Anyway, there are already operating rules on most waterways, which are being ignored. Why would new rules be obeyed any more?

Think of it this way. Divide the boaters into 2 groups. The decent boaters are already careful and courtious, so new requirements won't change them because they don't need to. Then, there are the yahoos, who don't give a rat's ass about anyone else, and would not change regardless of any licencing requirement or other new laws.
 
Actually there are regulations about drunk in charge of a vessel in the UK and have been for a few years now.

If you have issues with people ignoring a properly displayed alpha flag then get the registration and telephone the coastguard who can investigate and sanction. Or if you have a boat call on Ch16 and report it.

Also in a few areas it IS mandatory to hold at least an RYA level 2 or ICC to operate a jet ski.
 
After another weekend shore dive spent fending jetski's away from my SMB, i've decided to submit an e-petition to number 10 requiring that some form of basic boat training and proficiency test be required before someone can operate a motorised boat.
Please sign my petition and pass the link onto your friends to sign also.

Petition to: Require all powered watercraft operators resident in the uk to undergo a proficiency test by law, and be subject to drink drive style regulations. | Number10.gov.uk

Doesn't work. If they're poor the ACLU (in some form or another) will rescue them. If rich, their lawyers will. Plastic trash bags, attached to strings and connected to, and floating near, your SMB may give you some degree of satisfaction. One other thing, and, for the record, I don't recommend this, is to get a heavy boat and run them over and grind them into greasy chum slicks. However, this may get you in trouble with the anti-sharkfeeding crowd. And the EPA.
 
It won't make any difference. Here in Ontario, you have to take a basic boating course and pass a test and have your jetski or what ever licensed. If you get caught with alcohol, your drivers license is suspended. None of this has changed the way some morons operate their boats or jetskis.
 

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