Paul Watson (Sea Shepherd) needs to man up!!!!

[D_B]

Yep, this happens all the time. The US is well known for doing this.

That's very true Sas

 

[ScubaFeenD]

How do you know?.

You say this a lot, which just indicates an arrogance and ignorance. HOW DO YOU KNOW levels are high enough to hunt sustainable? Further you keep asking for the law, but the IWC agreement on whaling is pretty well accepted. No one here denies that there have been exceptions made for "cultural" or "research" needs. What we are asserting is that Japan is breaching those agreements by not ACTUALLY gathering for research. The photos in the the link by a journalistic website (posted by Valhalla) dont look like research to me. NOT AT ALL.

Seems the people against hunting are at least erring on the side of caution whereas you would risk it all for some archaic cultural desire to eat whale meat.

 

[ScubaFeenD]

Yep, this happens all the time. The US is well known for doing this.

Am i defending the BS the US does? No. Do I think the US is exempt from regulations? No. Stop deflecting the argument to try and exonerate japan based on wrongs of other countries. International agreement is just that; a plurality agrees what is best for the world (at least in spirit) and it should be binding unless another agreement can be reached. Dont turn this thread into a "the US is a mean, mean, law breaking country that does whatever they want" thread.

 

[Sas]

You say this a lot, which just indicates an arrogance and ignorance.

I don't think I am arrogant. Arrogance is only applicable to someone who has more pride in themselves than they should. Also I am not ignorant about whaling. I have corrected many incorrect assumptions that various posters here have made.

HOW DO YOU KNOW levels are high enough to hunt sustainable?

I posted the numbers already as well as what is being caught. How is catching 500 whales a year out of at least 500 000 unsustainable?

Further you keep asking for the law, but the IWC agreement on whaling is pretty well accepted.

Not by Japan or a few other nations. The agreement is not law.

No one here denies that there have been exceptions made for "cultural" or "research" needs. What we are asserting is that Japan is breaching those agreements by not ACTUALLY gathering for research. The photos in the the link by a journalistic website (posted by Valhalla) dont look like research to me. NOT AT ALL.

So Japan should be blamed for a whaling company's employees stealing stuff? :S

Even if they are not gathering for research, can you please show me the law that bans commercial whaling?

Seems the people against hunting are at least erring on the side of caution whereas you would risk it all for some archaic cultural desire to eat whale meat.

Why should everyone else get to rape the environment then but not the Japanese?

If I was supreme ruler of the Earth I would ban whaling personally so I am anti-whaling but I realise I am a hypocrite for being so and have decided not to judge others when I am very much to blame for environmental damage as most of the West is.

I guess in general I am posting here because of the profound ignorance within the anti whaling crowd and also because I don't like people who pretend not to be hyprocritical.

 

[Sas]

Am i defending the BS the US does? No. Do I think the US is exempt from regulations? No. Stop deflecting the argument to try and exonerate japan based on wrongs of other countries. International agreement is just that; a plurality agrees what is best for the world (at least in spirit) and it should be binding unless another agreement can be reached. Dont turn this thread into a "the US is a mean, mean, law breaking country that does whatever they want" thread.

I've asked it before but people did not answer:

Why do you think Japan should listen to the US given how badly the US treats the environment? Or Australia given how badly Australia screws up the environmental also? It's not just about the US.

Start in your own backyard then you have the moral authority to ask other nations to do the same. Otherwise it is disgusting hypocrisy.

 

[RNDIVER]

"I think it is ridiculous that cdreamer thinks what I am saying is dumb so it was in response to that. I know what I am talking about." Saspotato- everybody thinks they know what they are talking about. Going off the deep end doesn't make it look like you know what you're talking about

 

[Sas]

"I think it is ridiculous that cdreamer thinks what I am saying is dumb so it was in response to that. I know what I am talking about." Saspotato- everybody thinks they know what they are talking about. Going off the deep end doesn't make it look like you know what you're talking about

Yes but I actually DO know what I am talking about

 

[RNDIVER]

Of course you do. Everybody else is just stupid. My bad!!

 

[Sas]

Of course you do. Everybody else is just stupid. My bad!!

No worries, it happens to the best of us.

 

[ACT651755]

I take it you stand corrected over a few of your comments such as saying that Japan has accepted the whale sanctuary and also that you now agree that not all whale species are endangered. And you recognise that it is a bit rich for someone like you who damages the environment with your meat consumption to ask the Japanese to stop whaling.



And another thing I hope you will stand corrected on: Paul Watson HAS been convicted of a crime. In Norway and he was convicted in absentia for trying to sink a ship. He got 120 days in jail but the Netherlands would not hand him over.

There is an outstanding warrant for him in Costa Rica for the attempted murder of a fisherman. He fled the country to escape being arrested.

There is also a warrant out for his arrest from Japan.

Do you just read what Sea Shepherd says without independently verifying it yourself? I don't know how you could display such a lack of knowledge of whaling and Sea Shepherd's history otherwise

I do not stand corrected on any of your points on whaling, and the conviction in Norway had questionable motives. You have frequently evaded answering many of my points, have side-stepped just as many by firing a question back at me and have even admitted being a hypocrite. I'm simply not willing to carry on arguing the same points for the rest of my life.

The warrant that is outstanding for his arrest in Japan is a joke, but again, I'm not going to tread the same water for another year.

The attempted murder charge is also highly suspect. Watson claims he was invited to escort that boat back to port in Costa Rica, and then double-crossed by the president over the price of shark fins.

Why did the Dutch refuse to hand Paul Watson over to the Norweigian authorities by the way? Any chance that their motives were ominous? I'd suggest so. Unfortunately, regardless of how barbaric/illigal a government's activities are, he can be arrested within 12 miles of that Nation's coast. At least he can't be approached in international waters where he's effectively free to fight pirate whaling/shark finning/tuna fishing/seal culling.

I noticed how you skipped straight past my point on 'eco-terrorism' by the way. Continuing to pick what you can and attempt to turn it my way again.

Somebody asked the question whether Bin Laden wasn't a terrorist because he'd never been convicted. My answer to him is... isn't he 'Allah's Soldier'? I wonder if you asked that question in Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Syria which answer you'd get. My point being of course, that it's a matter of opinion.