PADI vs SSI?

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Hey there,

New to the sport-trying to get a read on if PADI is a better certification or SSI? Criteria for "better" is internationally recognized and safer, in-depth training. I will be getting certified in Mnterey Bay (Yikes cold!) and want to make sure I go with the right outfit.

Thanks!
Vivian
 
I can't say one is better over the other, they both have their pluses and minuses. I certified open water through SSI, but have also done PADI courses. I like the SSI program much better, but it does take more dive experience and courses to advance your dive certifications through SSI.
 
In a nutshell, no major differences from my understanding. A high quality instructor is more valuable than the agency name on your cert. card. Once you get certified then you can switch to a different agency for more training. For example open water cert. with PADI and then an Advanced cert. with SSI. I think that if you go pro then you stay with one agency. When looking for an instructor you'll want to ask a lot of questions and someone (can't remember who) has posted on here a great list of questions to ask.
 
From SSI's web site: SSI is “The Business Support Company” of the diving industry.

That was a main theme of theirs 8 years ago, too, when I was checking out dive agencies. I wanted a dive agency that was more interested in dive education, so I focused on NAUI and PADI.

That said, by far the biggest factor for your dive education is the quality of the instructor. Simply because there are a ton of PADI instructors, there are a ton of rotten PADI instructors out there. There are also a ton of great PADI instructors, and I'm sure that NAUI and SSI instructors fall into both categories, too.

How do you know if you have a good instructor? At the end of your first classroom session, and at the end of your first pool session, you should be so excited about diving that you can't wait to get certified. If that's not the case, keep looking.
 
Both (and many others) are quite well recognized internationally. Neither requires in depth training by their standards. If you want a top notch class, you'll need to start with a little research.

Take your time to research and find the best instructor in your area. Next, take time to complete the course. A good course will last several weeks. Don't rush this, it's something you can spend the rest of your life enjoying.

How do I find an above average course and how will I know I've found it?

Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

Questions to ask the instructors:

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should usually be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using certified assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.

Do you dive for fun or just when you are teaching? Instructors who've stopped diving for fun are burned out.

Questions to ask yourself:

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.
 
Walter, said it in much greater detail than I might have, and his points are well taken. The differences between any of the major agencies are relatively minor. They all establish minimum standards for open water certification, and for instructor qualifications.

The differences between instructors is vastly greater. Take the time to find out who's likely to give you the most thorough training, regardless of agency affiliation, and go with him or her.

As someone who's dived with lots of newbies over the years, I can tell you that there's a day and night difference between those who got a C-card, and those who learned to dive. You want to be among the latter.

BTW- a positive answer to whether the instructor certifies all his students may be a qualified yes, as in "yes, eventually, I work with them until I make them a diver"
 
Both (and many others) are quite well recognized internationally. Neither requires in depth training by their standards. If you want a top notch class, you'll need to start with a little research.

Take your time to research and find the best instructor in your area. Next, take time to complete the course. A good course will last several weeks. Don't rush this, it's something you can spend the rest of your life enjoying.

How do I find an above average course and how will I know I've found it?

Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

Questions to ask the instructors:

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should usually be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using certified assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.

Do you dive for fun or just when you are teaching? Instructors who've stopped diving for fun are burned out.

Questions to ask yourself:

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.

Hi Vivian,
1st, Welcome to Scuba Board and to the world of Diving. Lots of good people here and unlimited advice.
Walter said it best, so I'm just adding his quote. The main thing is to find a LDS (Local Dive Store) and instructor who you feel comfortable with. Check out as many as you can, and once you do, dive right in! (Yes, Pun Intended) A good instructor and LDS are far more important than which agency they are affiliated with.
Best of luck and let us know how you make out.
Safe Diving,
George
PADI MSDT
 
don Francisco:
The differences between any of the major agencies are relatively minor.

There are major differences between agencies.

don Francisco:
The differences between instructors is vastly greater.

They can be, but usually the biggest difference is the standards of the various agencies.
 
Greetings and welcome to SB Vivian! I will start by saying I am jealous of your location so close to awesome diving! Do not let the cold worry you, once you find yourself in the water viewing the under water world it will amaze you. The cold is not such a big deal just wear appropriate exposure protection. I am sure that will be covered in your training. I agree the most important step in training is choosing a instructor and making sure you are comfortable with him or her. On the agency question research both and pick which one you personally feel meets your needs and you like the best. I chose Padi and have been pleased with everything. As mentioned earlier in other posts there are differences between them, but that is ok. It really is what you decide works best for you. If you research them and have specific questions about either just let us know. The greatest thing is your interest in diving! You live close to some incredible diving opportunities by all means take advantage of them! Keep us posted on your progress, good luck. CamG Keep diving....keep training....keep learning!
 
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