PADI vs NAUI

[DCBC]

"Hmm. How does that play into the 'what they need to know' equation?

Is the assumption that a supervisor will always be available and will never suffer an emergency him or herself?

Is the ability to complete a dive from whatever point and potentially rescue someone requisite, and if so, what is left out of 'supervised only' training?"

Sorry for the delay Blackwood:


A "supervised diver" starts every dive with a knowledge of all reasonable hazards (mitigated as a result of this knowledge), a location that is in-line with his or her ability and experience and specific safety checks addressed. Do you not think that this plays into the "need to know criteria?"

Regarding the Supervisor and his/her need for rescue: I believe that every diver (prior to certification) must demonstrate the ability to rescue a fellow diver (Supervisor or not) on the surface/sub-surface. It is part of my "basic" program. All my programs prepare the diver to dive unsupervised. I do see however the need for "resort courses" and do not believe that the criteria is the same as for a diver diving a dry-suit in the North Atlantic where strong current and waves are a safety factor.

 

[Walter]

I am a proponent of standardized training with one overall certifying entity.

So who do you throw out of business?

 

[aquaregia]

Thus far your theory has not transpired. The question I have is how do you propose to get this " quality instructor cadre" you endorse. The reason why one has standards is that you can produce results with quality instructors. You have a means to measure the "quality" of instruction and can train instructors to achieve that level. Your "laze fair" means of instruction produces results that cannot be replicated or measured, since you do not have a standard to measure results by.

Shared trust goes a long way when the only measurable outcome is diver safety / quality of instruction. As Thal points out, if money or large numbers of people get involved, this can't be sustained.

 

[dandrews1138]

The las class I tought got in about 250 minutes of bottom time as apposed to the 80 that are required. You learn by doing...The agencies know that this stuff goes on and their all crap to me until they address it.

I'm sorry, but I find it impossible to respect or believe a "teacher" who can't spell simple words like "taught," "opposed," or "they're." I expect every single living American adult to be able to spell better than that, but a teacher? Even if it's "just" teaching scuba diving, a teacher should be able to spell properly, especially when teaching a subject in which a mis-communication can cost a life.

 

[nimoh]

I'm sorry, but I find it impossible to respect or believe a "teacher" who can't spell simple words like "taught," "opposed," or "they're." I expect every single living American adult to be able to spell better than that, but a teacher? Even if it's "just" teaching scuba diving, a teacher should be able to spell properly, especially when teaching a subject in which a mis-communication can cost a life.

Has that post been bothering you since it was written 10 years ago?

Incidentally, I expect every single living American adult that is a fanatic about spelling to know that miscommunication is not hyphenated.

 

[RJP]

Has that post been bothering you since it was written 10 years ago?

Incidentally, I expect every single living American adult that is a fanatic about spelling to know that miscommunication is not hyphenated.

Was his first-ever SB post, having just joined. Hell of a way to make an entrance...

 

[crosshairs]

Grammar Nazi's...gotta love em.....

1. Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects.

2. Never use a preposition to end a sentence with. Winston Churchill, corrected on this error once, responded to the young man who corrected him by saying "Young man, that is the kind of impudence up with which I will not put!

3. And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

4. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive.

5.Avoid cliches like the plague. (They're old hat.)

6. Also, always avoid annoying alliteration.

7. Be more or less specific.

8. Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.

9. Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies endlessly over and over again.

10. No sentence fragments.

11. Contractions aren't always necessary and shouldn't be used to excess so don't.

12. Foreign words and phrases are not always apropos.

13. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous and can be excessive.

14. All generalizations are bad.

15. Comparisons are as bad as cliches.

16. Don't use no double negatives.

17. Avoid excessive use of ampersands & abbrevs., etc.

18. One-word sentences? Eliminate.

19. Analogies in writing are like feathers on a snake (Unless they are as good as gold).

20. The passive voice is to be ignored.

21. Eliminate commas, that are, not necessary. Parenthetical words, however, should be enclosed in commas.

22. Never use a big word when substituting a diminutive one would suffice.

23. Don't overuse exclamation points!!!

24. Use words correctly, irregardless of how others use them.

25. Understatement is always the absolute best way to put forth earth-shaking ideas.

26. Use the apostrophe in it's proper place and omit it when its not needed and use it correctly with words' that show possession.

27. Don't use too many quotations. As Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "I hate quotations.. Tell me what you know."

28. If you've heard it once, you've heard it a billion times: Resist hyperbole;
not one writer in a million can use it correctly. Besides, hyperbole is always overdone, anyway.

29. Puns are for children, not groan readers.

30. Go around the barn at high noon to avoid colloquialisms.

31. Even IF a mixed metaphor sings, it should be derailed.

32. Who needs rhetorical questions? However, what if there were no rhetorical questions?

33. Exaggeration is a billion times worse than understatement.

34. Avoid "buzz-words"; such integrated transitional scenarios complicate simplistic matters.

35. People don't spell "a lot" correctly alot of the time.

36. Each person should use their possessive pronouns correctly.

37. All grammar and spelling rules have exceptions (with a few exceptions)....Morgan's Law.

38. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out.

39. The dash - a sometimes useful punctuation mark - can often be overused - even though it's a helpful tool some of the time.

40. Proofread carefully to make sure you don't repeat repeat any words.

42. In writing, it's important to remember that dangling sentences.
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[3D diver]

LOL: Read the first few pages of this thread then skipped to the end...can't say I'm surprised by either end.

My 2 cents: if the OP is still diving they will have learned, long ago, that bottom time & experience trump certification agency.

Cheers

 

[Subcooled]

Was his first-ever SB post, having just joined. Hell of a way to make an entrance...

You gotta read 'em all

I only go back 6 years or so (every now and then) :blush:

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A forum discussion is a dialogue between the 'thread' and the isolated mind.
Years mean nothing.

 

[OffDutyTaoist]

42. In writing, it's important to remember that dangling sentences.
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Dear GOD, what do dangling sentences do?!?!?

I would like to say that having just joined the forum (refer to intro post in the Greetings section), this thread was exactly what I was looking for. The single burning question I had after having paid for classes to get my certs and finding out that there isn't a single unified certifying body. My first thought was, "Oh God, I have screwed up. I picked the wrong school" (I'm an eternal pessimist). My school goes through PADI. After a little research namely on here and a couple informational publications, I found that the SCUBA world is much like service branches, everyone thinks theirs is the best, and for the most part the opinions resemble posteriors (everyone has one, and theirs is the only one that doesn't stink).

I read every single post in this thread, some twice, just for the amusement value; all 62 pages. I'm pretty excited about finally completing this goal; I wouldn't say life long, but certainly ever since I was 14 and earned my diving badge in the Royal Rangers (think Boy Scouts, only sponsored by the Assembles of God church). Thanks for the info guys.