PADI TecRec

[Snowbear]

Now that you've let us know your credentials, maybe you can help me understand what you meant when you said

secondly I have recently taught the Tec Deep course for the first time. I took a long time before I felt comfortable with it

since you had already done hundreds of tech dives and had all your training well before this class, why were you not comfortable? Is PADI's new program really more comprehensive than the more established tech training agencies' (sorry, I forgot which one you said your tech training was from)?

The DSAT programs have higher pre-requisites than most all the other agencies, they have more required dives than most other programs, and this extends right up to the new trimix course.

What are they? I thought most agencies required at least 100 dives before starting their tech programs? What other pre-requisites do I need before starting it (I've already got AOW, nitrox and over 100 dives).

 

[MHK]

There was a discussion recently [TDS I believe] where it was discussed if you shoot a bag before you switch gas, or switch gas before you shoot a bag. The rationale for shooting first, switching after, is "in case you can't hold a stop while shooting a bag". I see that as the general rule of diving with a MOD. If you don't have the bouyancy control to stay above a MOD, you don't belong diving a gas that has a MOD above the bottom. If you can't hold a stop while shooting a bag, what other situations might you not be able to hold a stop in?

Two points Spectre as I didn't see the thread that you discussed.

1) You shoot the bag after you make the gas switch. Depending on the dive, but more often then not, you shoot the bag from your 70' stop after you switch to your 50% mix. Ideally, anytime you switch to your deco gas you are going to want atleast 3 - 5 minutes on the elevated 02 mix, in the instant case 50%. You want to take advantage of the 02 window so the procedure is to switch to the gas, start your deco time and then shoot the bag.

2) I agree 100% with you, if a diver is worried about holding his stop and shooting a bag at the same time, that diver has no business technical diving. Instructors, agencies and even dive buddies for that matter have no business coddling those kind of divers, they need to make such a diver practice harder because he's a risk to the whole team.

Hope that helps

 

[Otter]

What are they? I thought most agencies required at least 100 dives before starting their tech programs? What other pre-requisites do I need before starting it (I've already got AOW, nitrox and over 100 dives).

• PADI Advanced Open Water Diver (or qualifying certification from another organization)
• PADI Rescue Diver (or qualifying certification from another organization)
• PADI Enriched Air Diver (or qualifying certification from another organization)
• PADI Deep Diver (or qualifying certification from another organization)
  Have a minimum of 100 logged dives of which 20 must be enriched air dives, 25 dives must be deeper than 18 metres/60 feet and at least 15 dives must be deeper than 30 metres/100 feet
• Minimum age: 18 years old

Sorry, you aren't qualified to be coddled. j/k

However, take the DIR-F course (no qualifying certification from another organization) and you can take Tech Diver 1.

 

[Genesis]

"Rescue" is one of those "keys" that fits agency "locks", irrespective of how well you can dive, and irrespective of the fact that at least some of the orthodoxy you will be shown in the Rescue class is just plain wrong in a technical environment.

 

[Otter]

"Rescue" is one of those "keys" that fits agency "locks", irrespective of how well you can dive, and irrespective of the fact that at least some of the orthodoxy you will be shown in the Rescue class is just plain wrong in a technical environment.

Apparently PADI isn't the only "keyholder".

 

[Snowbear]

However, take the DIR-F course (no qualifying certification from another organization) and you can take Tech Diver 1.

Actually - you're supposed to have OW cert from any agency and 25 dives to take DIR-f
So you're saying I can take Tech1, but since I don't have a padi "Deep diver" cert, even with over 100 dives deeper than 100', I'm not "qualified" for TecRec since I didn't buy the card. I'm just SO disappointed.....

 

[Genesis]

They're not - its common across most if not all agencies. Indeed, it is the only reason I possess that card.

 

[Otter]

Actually - you're supposed to have OW cert from any agency and 25 dives to take DIR-f
So you're saying I can take Tech1, but since I don't have a padi "Deep diver" cert, even with over 100 dives deeper than 100', I'm not "qualified" for TecRec since I didn't buy the card. I'm just SO disappointed.....

Is that, as was pointed out, DSAT's prerequisites are more stringent in terms of the number and depths of dives required than other agencies....

 

[Genesis]

So long as I have to shoot a bag for my skill drill with my legs wrapped around a rock, I think I'll pass.

 

[Otter]

Where is that taught?