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MHK , Spectre and a few others are correct in that a diver with 100 so called logged dives should not be touching the bottom if they are expected to complete skills at 165 ft with any success. Many of the agency's instructors ,and not just PADI, have their students at the basic O/W levels do the crawling before flying method of instruction technique. Ok this might be the way to start while in the pool for the first ever session, first ever skill. But during THAT session they, the instructors should introduce neutral bouyancy learning. The student should have an expected level of bouyancy skill downpat before hiting the O/W dives and should be able to conduct fundamental skills from the neutral position. Lets face it neutral bouyancy and the ability to hold it at 5 ft doing skills should be the basic skills foundation for doing it at 150ft in that you are in the mid point of the water column with no bottom touching or surface sailing. Now work the task of replacing and removing equipment such as stage bottles and hold that bouyancy at a current depth without sinking or bobbing this is what is expected of tec divers. 100 logged dives is the current standard for most agencies for rating to become a instructor, at this number of dives bouyancy should not be an issue. Although this is not reality. I feel that a diver cannot afford to be looking for the bottom if the diver needs to add or remove equipment, deploy a bag, share air, clear a mask, whatever. It is nice to know that at a deco stop at 100 ft and another 250ft below, the diver can hold their position for the expected deco time then ascend to next deco stop and do the same. If the diver needs to manipulate equipment depth doesn't change. Tec Instructors of any agency should expect this and be willing to halt training if the skill level is not where it should be.To many divers are entering levels of diving to which they are not ready or predared to dive. If this program doesn't expect the students total profficiency and mastery of skills from a higher starting expected reference point then it will be no better than a O/W Diver class. Again the instructor makes the difference.
 
Genesis:
For one Kane and I agree.
Geez, the board must be having another data corruption, you'd never believe what just came up on my 'tube.

Roak
 
Snowbear:
Since you seem to have missed it (or maybe I missed the answer):
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I'll add one as well:
Which agency did you take your cave training through?

TDI full cave diver #29, nss-cds member, Msc in Cave hydrology
and enough assorted c-cards to use as poker chips, so dont go down that road. I am however still able to accept that I will never stop learning. That is why I like a board where everyone can contribute.

I wouldnt be in the kitchen if I couldnt stand the heat.
 
I have to weigh in and say that I think Cave Diving is the more demanding (and better preparatory) discipline. From 1994- until 2001 almost all the diving I did was caves. I am a Cavern Instructor. In September 2002 I took a Trimix Instructor course. The other candidate in the course was a serious wreck diver, and I a serious cave diver. We knew each other by reputation and through mutual friends. The transition to me was extremely easy, and I have since become a serious wreck diver as well. I find that cave divers on the whole (especially those with significant experience) are more comfortable in various environements, as well as having better team skills, communication skills, and ability to deal with task loading.
 
hey cancun Mark!

What if I'm a deep cave diver, would you dive with me i mean 300 ft deep cave dives I think counts as deep and I can't go straight up.LOL :)

Atttitude does mean alot, before you hand anyone a card make sure they have a good attitude and not just the skill base
 
I took my cave class looking to expand my knowledge. I continued learning by diving with cave instructors during their teachings. Guys like Larry Green, Johnny Richards, Mike O'leary to name a few. Having the many wreck dives as I did before cave it was a natural progression. I worked gaining knowledge diving as much as I can. I took trimix to expand that knowledge even further. Now I dive deep caves. I completed requirements for Intro to cave instructor and teach to that level. I am working to full cave instructor. Trimix Instructor cert will wait until I feel that I have gained enough knowledge and experience to teach such a class. That is coming. No sense teaching things that I do not do as a dive for my own fun.
 
You are right snowbear, I am new here, that is why I didnt come in claiming to be J.C.

I certainly dont claim to be the most experienced tec diver on the board, but I am a thinking diver which is why I feel qualified to contribute and not intimidated by anyones resume.

Tec is what I do for fun, challenge and personal development. All my training was done before Tec Rec was even thought of, so I crossed over to it with an open mind. Tec diving is not how I make my living, it is far too much like hard work and there is much more money in flagpole painting (anyone can do the first six feet!).

Total number of tec dives?? not sure, but in the hundreds not the thousands, total number of dives??' again not sure but I started doing this when I was twelve when the alternate air source was seen as an innovation, so more than most, twelve years full time in the industry, a couple of dives a day, you do the math.

GDI--- there is a 300' hole 40 mins from my house, called the "culo negro" (the black hole) that I have seen the bottom of. Would I dive it with you??? Probably not, I'm an army brat, so I am suspicious of all things military.
 
I would arm wrestle you tho
 
cancun mark:
You are right snowbear, I am new here, that is why I didnt come in claiming to be J.C.
Good, there are too many around here already.
cancun mark:
I certainly dont claim to be the most experienced tec diver on the board, but I am a thinking diver which is why I feel qualified to contribute and not intimidated by anyones resume.
Way to go.
cancun mark:
Tec is what I do for fun, challenge and personal development. All my training was done before Tec Rec was even thought of, so I crossed over to it with an open mind.
Ah, now that in itself and the fact that you've actually done the course and know what you're talking about does put you in a distinct minority here.

Any sarcasm above fully intended. God help us from the same old people spouting the same tired and biased opinions time and time again. (Not all of you, good folks. Just some.)

Personally I don't care, there's so much diving out there in the real world. Shame about the blatant hijack, though. :frown2:
 
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