Padi Dsat

[Steve R]

I think most of the tech agencies provide ways to avoid deep diving on air these days. With IANTD, you can combine normoxic trimix with the technical diver course. GUE doesn't mess with the deep air thing at all. I'm not sure about TDI. Here comes DSAT with a sparkeling new course with no option for helium prior to doing the course to 165. It looks like flat out insanity to me. I guess some instructors are conducting these courses without hitting the max allowable depths. Since deep diving is the subject, I think that's even more rediculous.

I think allowing the option is one thing but making it a requirement is another. Personally, I wouldn't even bother with an agency that doesn't get it yet.

TDI isn't much better by the depth numbers, than DSAT. Their entry level deco course (no mix allowed) is 150ft, and they argue their deep air course is 180 or so (Extended range). I think Brett made that argument a few decades ago when it might have had a hint of realism...........good morning cowboys, it 2007, time to wakey wakey, or take up golf.

They also argue that this doesn't mean that instuctors are required to push their students to the max depth. Like you, I think this is a bull$hit argument devoid of common sense at this level of the game. They're arguing one thing, but clearly opening the door for you to do the other. Whatever, it's insured. :shakehead

This is a concern for a lot of instructor with TDI as I understand, and a lot really want TDI to get with the program and start offering the option to do what is right and just skip the whole air nonsense, like GUE does, and also is what NAUI allows for.

TDI brass on the other hand is not really in bed with the idea.:mooner:

 

[ScubaAndDreams]

Being able to teach using Helium to 150' (prior to a trimix class) is 80% of the reason I went with NAUI TEC.

 

[rjack321]

The "problem" with DSATs course IMO is 2 fold.

1) Deep air. When the poo hits the fan I don't want an END >100ft. Esp. in my cold (43-54F) local waters with less than good vis (4-15ft typically)

2) Loading the guns too early. They have you on deep air with 2 deco mixes (50% and O2 if I'm not mistaken) Now you're a new tech diver with 2 bottles strapped on, one of which will kill you if you mistakenly switch to it at 70ft. I don't know about anyone else but when I started out, having to manage 2 bottles and be perfect while hovering midwater would have been a bit much. I could handle 1 bottle, I could hover in mid-water ok (a bit less than perfect), but 2 bottles would have been dangerous.

That's why the DSAT courses are not prudent IMO. The kneeling thing is just icing.


BTW, GUE gets you to 140-160ft, on trimix with one deco gas in 9 days. 4 for Fundementals, 5 for Tech1 Ditto for NAUI Technical Diver. And yes we dive the same deco schedules on that normoxic trimix as PADI has you do for air. I don't know about the other agencies dicussed here.

 

[Steve R]

That's why the DSAT courses are not prudent IMO. The kneeling thing is just icing.

Ya, but that icing is damn sweet.

Nothing better than watching dough-boy do a valve drill fully verticle along with the other tastey treats in their program.

It's worse when you realize Padi had the opportunity to look thoroughly at all the other agencies courses in this area when they were designing their own curiculuum, and this is the best piece of crap they could come up with.

It speaks volumes and is not in any way surprising, it's Padi through and through.

Marketing over content. Just like the rest of their junk.

 

[kawasakign]

That's why the DSAT courses are not prudent IMO. The kneeling thing is just icing.

I'm not a tech diver and a big lurker on this forum just trying to get more information.....so I'm a little confused on thie kneeling thing. I'm guessing it bad and evil in some way and that there are pictures of it in course material???....can someone enlighten me?

 

[JeffG]

I'm guessing it bad and evil in some way and that there are pictures of it in course material???....can someone enlighten me?

Yes...and supposedly, they talk about shooting a lift bag a depth by wrapping your legs around a rock or have your buddy hold you down. I have yet to see this, so it might be an urban scuba legend. (I sure hope it is...because thats just beyond the pale stupid.)

 

[Warren_L]

I've seen it. It's not an urban legend.

 

[JeffG]

I've seen it. It's not an urban legend.

Wow...I should just buy the book for poops and giggles. Kinda like a PADI Adv Wreck course I'm going to take.

 

[Steve R]

Wow...I should just buy the book for poops and giggles. Kinda like a PADI Adv Wreck course I'm going to take.

Dude, the video/DVD is so funny I'll burn ya a copy (err make myself a spare) and send it priority post all at my expense just to know you'll have a roar watching it.

It's like the TV version of where's Waldo, in reverse.

See how many hooped things you can point out. It's everywhere. lol

 

[Dive-aholic]

Yes...and supposedly, they talk about shooting a lift bag a depth by wrapping your legs around a rock or have your buddy hold you down. I have yet to see this, so it might be an urban scuba legend. (I sure hope it is...because thats just beyond the pale stupid.)

The book isn't that bad. At least they don't talk about "erts"! I don't remember them saying anything about wrapping your legs around a rock...and I'm sure I would have remembered that. And no, I'm not DSAT trained. The video is pretty funny though!