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Don't worry about them, Alan....they're Canadians...chances are they weren't raised right and don't know any better!:rofl3:

That's the kind of attitude that makes yours just as bad as the ones you think you're railing against. I could make some generalizations right about now too, but that wouldn't be fair to you.
 
well, apparently i've created a monster, although i did get a pm from a certain person in my area that corrected me that SDI is not the technical side. Basically according to his snide little pm i'm an idiot, but that's another story.

Anyway, the one thing i do like about the couple of TDI manuals that i've looked through, they are pretty well spelled out in "dumb people" terms, which is good for me.

I think everybody's opinion on agencies seems to be biased depending on what agency there trained by.

Just my opinion.

It's true though, that SDI is their NDL side, which evolved as an add-on to their tech side. Sort of the opposite of PADI's tech side, which evolved from their NDL side.

When you therefore speak of tech, it is about IANTD, NACD, TDI, NAUI Tech, GUE, AG-DIR, etc. I do not know if BSAC (Europe) also offers tech. And, oh yah, PADI has tech now too.

If you even have a tech choice in your area, then you are quite lucky. Often, anyplace you go has either none or only one. I know of only one OKLA tech diver, and he is IANTD. I think he lives near OKC and dives in Latonka Lake or Elmer Thomas down in the Oichita Mountains. Those are really deep, clear lakes. The US Army at Ft Sill uses them to train their Green Berets on scuba, last I heard.

To answer your original question, I would suggest looking around and finding out what is available. Then if you even have a choice of more than one in your area, meet the tech instructor(s). This person's personality is going to be the most important thing in your life for the next year as you put your life into his/her hands. Ask to meet some of her/his former graduates.

See if he/she maintains a good group of trained tech divers that you can go diving with after you graduate from the program. I will concede (although I am not DIR) that this is the greatest strength of the various DIR programs (GUE-DIR or AG-DIR or NAUI-DIR). They get their people out and they go diving.

If you did well in college physics, chem, or math then you should have no problems with the tech curriculum. The issue is simply one of determining your depths, computing your pressures, selecting your gasses, programming your deco, fine tuning your diving skills, developing protocols and procedures, and then going diving!!!

Although I am not NAUI TECH, I would have to say they probably have the best program overall. However they may or may not be in your area. They are strong in Florida, in Southern Calif, and here and there across the USA. However, having said that, I have good tech friends who have recoilled from NAUI TECH's inflexible methods.

If you like things to be structured for you, then any of the DIR programs (GUE or A/G or NAUI TECH) would be better for you.

If you revolt away from any type of imposed requirements, and perfer freedom, then IANTD or TDI is probably your best bet.

It all depends on your personality and what makes you most comfortable in the water. It is too easy for someone else to tell you which they think is the best tech agency. But you need to figure that out for yourself.
 
That's the kind of attitude that makes yours just as bad as the ones you think you're railing against. I could make some generalizations right about now too, but that wouldn't be fair to you.

:rofl3: Don't be so sensitive! Just wanted to see what they'd do. One of 'em already PM'ed me...seems like at least one of the pair can dish out insults, but can't take it. Me? I'm not so sensitive. Say what you will. I'm comfortable with who I am and where I'm from. ;)
 
Anyway, that aside...its obvious that TDI is a decade or so behind the times training wise and with their ideas....They claim to be on the front lines of technical training, however their actions speak otherwise...A few years ago I was under the impression that things were going to be changing...But here we are having the same old discussions, and they're up to the same old tricks...
If people want to dive HE from 120' and on, they should have the option...Unfortunatly, within the TDI program, you have to complete a thousand bucks or so of courses before you can spend another grand to do intro to trimix...
Myself, I don't have any issues spending the extra bucks on trimix when diving deeper than 110-120 feet...and neither do the guys I choose to dive with...the clear head is well worth the extra few dollars...
Its nice to have the choice tho...

TDI's manuals indeed are old and need to be updated. The principles are the same, but the gas choices are outmoded.

These days, deco is done with 100% O2 & EAN 50 rather than TDI's EAN 36 and EAN 80. A good TDI tech instructor will work around this with you, and let you use EAN 50 and 100% O2 instead. MPD525, if you decide to go down the TDI road, make sure you ask the instructor about this.

TDI's deco tables as such are not great either. And a good TDI tech instructor will let you use V-Planner, which is the State Of The Art!
 
:rofl3: Don't be so sensitive! Just wanted to see what they'd do. One of 'em already PM'ed me...seems like at least one of the pair can dish out insults, but can't take it. Me? I'm not so sensitive. Say what you will. I'm comfortable with who I am and where I'm from. ;)

Hey, like I said in the pm, not sure what being Canadian has to do with things...But hey..lick my ballbag
 
TDI's manuals indeed are old and need to be updated. The principles are the same, but the gas choices are outmoded.

These days, deco is done with 100% O2 & EAN 50 rather than TDI's EAN 36 and EAN 80. A good TDI tech instructor will work around this with you, and let you use EAN 50 and 100% O2 instead. If you decide to go down the TDI road, make sure you ask the instructor about this.

TDI's deco tables as such are not great either. And a good TDI tech instructor will let you use V-Planner, which is the State Of The Art!


Thanks for the info......but I started down the TDI road and thank god I did a u-turn before I got too far in...
 
Nice that you have the background (training and experience) to decide for yourself. Wouldn't it be nice for a new tech diver to not have the agency decide for them (and give them no say in the matter)?

This is why I said earlier in the thread that the whole "its the instructor not the agency" mantra is BS. I wish people would stop repeating it without thinking it through...

John

It is indeed all about the tech instructor, and the agency is indeed B/S.

Especially once you discover that a lot of tech instructors bounce around. Many of them have several agencies under their belts.

A.G. comes to mind. It does not matter whom he is teaching for, whether NAUI TECH, or GUE, or IANTD, or NACD, etc. He himself is still probably the best instructor in the entire world. If you have a chance to learn from someone like this, the agency does not matter.
 
Hey, like I said in the pm, not sure what being Canadian has to do with things...But hey..lick my ballbag

Are you sure you have one to lick? It's pretty easy to throw around insults over the Internet...a whole different deal in person. You feel free to throw around personal insults, but you're not man enough to take it. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I'd expect that from anyone who would jump all over someone else because you don't like their opinions.;)
 
TDI's manuals indeed are old and need to be updated. The principles are the same, but the gas choices are outmoded.

These days, deco is done with 100% O2 & EAN 50 rather than TDI's EAN 36 and EAN 80. A good TDI tech instructor will work around this with you, and let you use EAN 50 and 100% O2 instead. MPD525, if you decide to go down the TDI road, make sure you ask the instructor about this.

TDI's deco tables as such are not great either. And a good TDI tech instructor will let you use V-Planner, which is the State Of The Art!

It's true that TDI was slow to update their manuals, but they have updated several recently and are in the process of updating the rest. When I took the Adv. Nitrox and Deco Procedures classes (yes, they were offered together, not separately) we mostly used V-Planner, but compared results for identical dive profiles using other software too. We also worked with EAN50 and 100% O2. I'm not saying TDI is the only way to go...not at all...I'm just saying that the agency isn't as bad as it's being portrayed by some posters here.

I still say it's more about having a quality, knowledgeable, experienced instructor who stays up-to-date in the field.
 
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