OOA question. Who is teaching to give your main unit?

[shugar]

I disagree with that. Of all the incidents you could have in diving, running out of gas is about the only one i can think of that is 100% avoidable.

falling off a motorbike is 100% avoidable...

going OOA IS avoidable but it happens - wasn't it some other guy talking about burst disks and popped o-rings?

i agree with zee on this...

@cabbage: 60 dives and you're an effin' expert???? please stay away from my country - we don't want to have to deal with repatriating your remains if something happens to the god of diving...

Jag

 

[Web Monkey]

I call .

Terry

 

[Jasonmh]

I call .

Terry

I don't think it is a troll, sadly I think he really is just like this.
Reading this thread reminds me of being on a dive boat, listening for the biggest loudmouth talking about how they have it all figurered out and nothing can ever possibly happen to them. I don't think anyone on a boat with this guy will have any trouble identifiying him.

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

I call .

Terry

I have to agree. Ask a question on the pretense you want to understand, then get more arrogant as the thread progresses... classic

Color me: Unsubscribe Thread

 

[Reg Braithwaite]

You get my octo. I will keep the definate good source.

If one day we find ourselves thinking about buddying up, I will say this to you on the boat:

• You take my primary, you and I both know it works because I'm breathing off it. If I don't trust you with my primary regulator, I won't dive with you.
• I'll take my secondary. I know it works because I test it on the surface and again under water before we descend. I maintain my gear and trust it. If you don't think a piece of my gear can be trusted, don't dive with me.

Quite simply, there should never be an issue with you not giving your working regulator to your buddy because you don't trust your own octo. Buy and maintain an octo you can trust. What if your own primary failed? The video shows a mouthpiece falling off. Your octo is for your benefit too!

The bottom line here is that (1) you have to develop a level of trust in your gear, and (2) you have to develop a level of trust in your interaction with your buddy. If you choose to dive with people you do not trust, I would suggest that arguing about the octo is the least of your worries, you should be thinking about every dive as a solo dive and considering redundant sources of air. If you don't trust your buddy and you don't trust your octo, how is it you trust your o ring?

 

[Reg Braithwaite]

I wish I had a 10-spot for every 50-99 dives diver who's come through ScubaBoard over the past seven years convinced they had it all figured out.

I owe you another ten for myself ;-)

 

[goodive]

I won't bother with repeating what was already said well by others.(Different agencies, tech/cave/DIR...) I just gona re-post what I posted in the other threat. A lot of people talk about this mysterious other OOA diver. So here is my own true storycopy from other thread)
Fantastic topic,
mine didn't end up in CESA but OOA situation somehow relates to this. (It could be in "Being stupid under water" thread too).
When I was a brand spanking new diver (dive #2 after OW course) I was eager to dive ASAP and went to Porteau Cove
Scuba Shore Diving Site Page for: Porteau Cove of Vancouver, BC, Canada
dive site with DM from my course Richard. Vis was about 10 feet and I was just following Rich trying not to loose his yellow fins. I was checking my air every 2 minutes till we got to the "jungle gym". I was like a kid in the candy store, completely forgot about my air. Suddenly it got harder and harder to breathe. I look at my gauges and it was showing zero air, 70 feet depth. Remember I am just a new diver, no experience at all at this point. I panicked. I could see Richard's fins about 10 feet in front of me. My only thought was to get to Rich or I AM DEAD. I climbed all over him, all I saw was the reg in his mouth. My reg was already floating somewhere behind me and I was trying to breathe water. I ripped his reg from his mouth and shove it in mine. I never forget the look he gave me. He grabbed my BCD strap and gave me "Are you O. K." signal. Sure I am I do have AIR. Maybe I even smiled. He smiled back at me, look at my gauge, shook his head and smile again. I am thinking, where is his reg, he doesn't have one. Well I am not giving him mine. Oh there we go, his octopus comes out. O yea, he'll be fine. We got to the surface no problem, no scuba divers got injured in this exercise. Rich never dove with me again which is too bad. He would see, that I check my air regularly, always carry my pony on all solo dives and now know how to do CESA.
Only thing I would add, I am happy wasn't my DM.

 

[goodive]

Last sentence of course should read:Only thing I would add, I am happy PsychoCabbage wasn't my DM.

 

[DivingPrincessE]

Perhaps I am just meaner than you? I know CPR but know with 100% certainty that I would not use it on anyone other than my wife or kids.. Can you say the same? Doubtful. You have something in you that makes you want to help. I do not have that in my character at all.

I hope that if you are ever in need of CPR for any reason (not just dive related) that the people with you at the time (I doubt you're wife is with you 24/7) don't have the same callous disregard for human life that you seem to possess.

 

[Puffer Fish]

Wow, did phychocabbage push the wrong buttons.

I might be able to help here.. because:

1. I am a NAUI instructor.

2. I have have lots of OOA experiences with divers.

Note: Not in recent years, but back in the J valve days, I was the only one with an octo and doubles.

So, to some of his points:

First off, anyone can panic... anyone. You might be able to control it, but anyone that believes they would never do it is wrong. Actually, the "I don't panic" people are the most dangerous.

Second anyone can have an OOA situation. I have never had to get air from another diver, but that is just luck. I have had my second stage break (the spring holding up the inlet valve) and empty my tank and had a regulator come apart.

Third, ok I admit it, I have told the knife joke in classes.. it was a joke. Just learned something here and will never, ever use it again.

Fourth, Every OOA situation I have been in, the person was not my buddy, and they did not ask, they took my primary. Once from behind, with my octo on the side of my doubles, in their plain sight.. they still reached over my shoulder and grabbed my reg... choking me in the process.

Fifth, your wife can free dive down 20ft...any good free diver can do 60, with a lot of bottom time. As with anything else in life, it depends on your point of view and experience.

While I think this thread has had way too many personal attacks in it, it is wonderful to see the number of people that have defended doing the right thing. I was going to thank everyone, but that would be about half the posts.

One last note: Please ask your instructor what he thinks of your "I don't share my air with anyone but my family" attitude. I know I would put that in the category of "people that should not be diving"