OOA question. Who is teaching to give your main unit?

[BabyDuck]

I didnt know where people were getting this info and on all of our gear, not one has a primary reg on a long hose and they are all "Factory"..

So we had to ask as we are in the basic section and everyone here is talking about giving their primary but standard setups dont have the primary on a long enough hose.

umm, no. regs don't come hooked up to hoses. hoses are bought and put on separately.

 

[divad]

Check out the blog; it's a self-explanitery hoot. (spellin' on porpose)

 

[HowardE]

How many agencies actually recommend NOT donating the primary? I can think of exactly 1.

I don't know... I'm not an instructor.

 

[amascuba]

Come to texas. I will show you exactly where the training is held.
Not BS. Its for real. When someone is trying to pull my reg out of my mouth, they are effectively putting themselves before me.. Its my right to put myself exactly where I belong.. Way before them. Trust me. It was taught and I highly agree with it. .But then again, we are from Texas where we have Castle laws that most others dont understand..

I was born, raised, and still live in Texas. I'm also a dive professional with two different certifying agencies. If you think back to you open water class you will realize that the majority of the skills revolve around self help and assisting others in an emergency. It's a natural path to panic that a person will do what ever it takes to get life sustaining air. If a diver comes to you and pulls your regulator out of your mouth, you SHOULD have been taught to assist the panicked diver and give that person your regulator and you take your secondary. If you were taught to defend your primary with a knife instead of assisting then your instructor violated their agency standards and could lose his teaching privileges for producing unsafe divers and an unsafe diving environment. Who was your instructor and what agency does he/she teach for? I would like to notify their agency so that they can take proper administrative actions against the said instructor. It's stupidity on his/her part for teaching divers not to assist a panicked OOA diver and it's ignorance on your part for believing that's how it should be.

 

[FishOutUvH2O]

This thread just keeps getting better and better. . .

And for the record, I live in Texas and if you find yourself OOA and I'm the closest diver, feel free to take the regulator out of my mouth without fear of being stabbed or injured by me in any way.

 

[BHB ScubaTroll]

I didnt know where people were getting this info and on all of our gear, not one has a primary reg on a long hose and they are all "Factory"..

Actually, the long hose configuration is and has been common for a long time. The AirII system has also been common for a long time.

Both configurations prove effective and popular. Both configurations require the primary be donated to the OOA diver. It is not a difficult process to learn. My octo is the same S600 model as my primary. I am comfortable with the 7' primary hose configuration and can deploy it with the same efficiency as anyone who deploys their octo. It allows me to take control of the situation and get the other diver under control. Then, we can make a controlled ascent and I can remain in control without issue. Just like an octo donation, except I have a little more control due to the extra length of hose.

The information on AirII and long hose configuration is given at most AOW classes I've sat in on.

Today, all dive shops (in this area anyway) Carry hoses of varied length and the "standard" setup is what the reg purchaser requests.

So we had to ask as we are in the basic section and everyone here is talking about giving their primary but standard setups dont have the primary on a long enough hose.

In this thread, or in the basic section? I've seen the answers in this thread and agree with you. They are recommending deployment of the longer hose (primary or octo) based on your question. I haven't read these recommendations throughout the "basic" section (But, honestly, I haven't searched it out).

What started these answers appears to be in your original post where you ask "why", then go on to state "No way"... It appears you've asked a question and then stated you weren't going to listen to the answers to your question. That may not have been your meaning, but that is what came across.

So, you either really want to know why it is taught/done, or you meant to "troll" for answers you could "bash". Is that correct? I don't know. It just appears you are asking a question in order to "bash" the answers.

If you also believe experience doesn't make a good diver, you are correct. Knowledge does not make a good diver either. Combine the two and tweak it a little and you do have what makes a good diver...

Correct knowledge, experience and continued practice make a good diver.

Good luck

 

[String]

When someone is trying to pull my reg out of my mouth, they are effectively putting themselves before me..

Yes. People in absolute blind panic who have lost all ability for rational thought do that. It still doesnt mean they wont.

Its my right to put myself exactly where I belong.. Way before them. Trust me. It was taught and I highly agree with it.

Put yourself wherever you want, you wont always be able to prevent them taking your reg. Bull**** about knives etc is all very well but in the real world if a diver approaches you unseen and grabs your reg its out in under a second before you can react to it.

So we had to ask as we are in the basic section and everyone here is talking about giving their primary but standard setups dont have the primary on a long enough hose.

Because air donation is basic scuba and long hose setup is far from rare. Its about as basic as you can get and FAR more standardised than the million different combinations of octopus clips and octopus locations which someone has to learn.
Agencies can teach it from day 1, it is taught from day 1 by some instructors and the higher up the tree you get the more and more common it is - BECAUSE its a safer and more effective solution.

 

[Zeeman]

Hhmm... I was going to post "60 dive DM" after I read the original post, but no, it's worse. 60 dive OW diver.

You can be the brightest light bulb in the multi-verse, my friend, however, that does not mean you will get a Formula 1 car around Monza without spinning it out. That requires EXPERIENCE. As does diving. Doesn't matter how smart you are, things go wrong. Eventually. I know someone who has been narced at about 30 feet, doesn't matter how smart you are in that situation.

I also ride motorbikes, me and my riding buddies have a saying. IF you are going to ride motorbikes, you must be prepared to fall off.

I suspect diving is similar, if you are going to go diving, you must be prepared to run out of air.

Z...

 

[String]

I suspect diving is similar, if you are going to go diving, you must be prepared to run out of air.

Z...

I disagree with that. Of all the incidents you could have in diving, running out of gas is about the only one i can think of that is 100% avoidable.

 

[BabyDuck]

he didn't say you're gonna, but that you have to be prepared to.

and even if *i* never do, that doesn't mean *nobody* on the boat won't come up & mug me for gas. i'm ready for it in case. and i'm sure you are, too, string!