Only in the good old USA part 2

[Foo]

I know facts are sticky things but Washington DC has the highest funding per student in the nation and the lowest test scores. somewhere between $8-$9,000 per child per year. Money won't fix this problem

There's no easy answers, Preacher- I certainly agree with that. Money is just part of the problem- it all begins in the home, with responsible and loving parents/families working together. But, is the cost of living proportionate with the per capita funding in Wash. DC? My team has produced students who have passed 100% of their state standardized tests in the past few years- and we are sadly underpaid, although our per capita student funding is around 115 in a state of 1500 districts. We are a group of caring, dedicated teachers who have poured ourselves into our jobs and our students. But several of us are now disillusioned with the "work hard, reap the benefits" ideas that we started with. Yes, there have been many nonmonetary benefits that have been realized, and our students have made us very proud. But we also have children of our own who we must send to college, prom, etc.- that's why many good teachers are leaving the profession in droves, they cannot financially afford to stay there. Invest in the education system, we as a society will certainly reap the benefits by keeping good people as educators.

Sorry for the prison thread hijack!

Foo

 

[cdiver2]

There's no easy answers, Preacher- I certainly agree with that. Money is just part of the problem- it all begins in the home, with responsible and loving parents/families working together. But, is the cost of living proportionate with the per capita funding in Wash. DC? My team has produced students who have passed 100% of their state standardized tests in the past few years- and we are sadly underpaid, although our per capita student funding is around 115 in a state of 1500 districts. We are a group of caring, dedicated teachers who have poured ourselves into our jobs and our students. But several of us are now disillusioned with the "work hard, reap the benefits" ideas that we started with. Yes, there have been many nonmonetary benefits that have been realized, and our students have made us very proud. But we also have children of our own who we must send to college, prom, etc.- that's why many good teachers are leaving the profession in droves, they cannot financially afford to stay there. Invest in the education system, we as a society will certainly reap the benefits by keeping good people as educators.

Sorry for the prison thread hijack!

Foo

think its the same in other work places not just teachers? If you can not get what you want in the profession your in... move on so you can get what you want. You I and lots of other people understand this and people do it every day instead of turning to crime.
I do agree there needs to be more guidance in the home.... in the basics manners, consideration of others and no the world doe's not owe you anything if you want something go out and earn it. IMO a lot of the problems is the attitude " I want it and I want it now" not six months or a year down the road when I have saved for it BUT NOW.

 

[Foo]

think its the same in other work places not just teachers? If you can not get what you want in the profession your in... move on so you can get what you want. You I and lots of other people understand this and people do it every day instead of turning to crime.
I do agree there needs to be more guidance in the home.... in the basics manners, consideration of others and no the world doe's not owe you anything if you want something go out and earn it. IMO a lot of the problems is the attitude " I want it and I want it now" not six months or a year down the road when I have saved for it BUT NOW.

Sure, it probably is that way in other work places, I never said it's not. I've only been teaching 5 years, as I went back to school later in life, graduated at age 42, so I have also worked in the private business sector for many years. But, do other professions touch the future in the same way as teachers? That's my point- invest in the formative years, as we have a great opportunity to help these young people who are not being helped at home. Keep the good, caring people by enabling them to provide for their own families, while they're giving all they can to the children they teach.

I won't quit teaching, however- I do love the work, although stressful and challenging, it can be very emotionally rewarding. I just wish it were better financially compensated, and I do finally understand the "teacher burnout syndrome" that seems to hit after about 5 yrs. When I first begain, and being an eternal optimist, I p'shawed the idea that I would ever feel this way. I will get over it, and carry on.

You're right on about EARNING. Too many people have been given the easy road, parents want things to be easier on their own kids and that's understandable. But, we all have to remember that when things come too easy, it is not appreciated in the same way, nor is the true value perceived. Too many crutches, and they never learn to walk, and dang sure won't fly. Credit card debt is a PRIME example of this analogy. How many 20 somethings are already crushed under a credit card debt load that they will never pay off, because credit's just too easy? So, just file for bankruptcy and you never have to pay it off... start over... your debtors don't deserve to be paid for that piece of crap leather couch, anyway, right?

Sorry if I'm stepping on toes, now. But this really gets off with me. I'm STILL waiting for my first leather couch. LOL.

Foo

 

[teknitroxdiver]

Oh booh hoo. He's right, jail isn't the Ritz, but some have become that way. For example, jails are required to have an up-to-date library available to prisoners. The nearest large jail in Calico Rock, AR has a much better library than the one at my school. They have huge recreational facilities and places for inmates to do woodworking and the like. Our shop at school is far from huge and well-equipped. All this money is being poured into treating CRIMINALS like $&*@(^! ROYALTY.

Punishments for crimes should be tough enough to prevent the person from doing it again, and to prevent others from doing it in the first place. If you litter, you should be made to pick up litter for a mile or so of highway. If you go out and kill someone, you should be publicly executed in a timely manner, not given the needle in 20+ years. The current sentences are far too leniant to do any good. It's no wonder our jails and prisons are overflowing. Take a look at some other countries who are still man enough to crack down hard. Do they have a crime problem? Nope.

Every year the local inmates come to our school and clean the place up. They pick up trash on the side of the road. Every person who obeys the law and stays out of jail goes to work every day. Should an inmate be able to kick back in their cell and enjoy all the free benefits the state/nation is giving them, while the people who are doing right are still at work? I think not.

Good for Joe.

 

[fmw625]

Foo,

I agree that our children's educators are way underpaied. How can you expect someone to invest large amounts of cash in their education just to be paid less than the clerk at the local department store. GOOD teachers should be paid more. A better salary base would entice Good teachers. I am not educated very well, just highschool and jr. college, but being raised in the lower middle income range in the 50s and 60s when only the best scores on the SAT or ACT recieved scholorships, this was the best that I could do. Being an active partner in my 2 children's education, I saw many great, dedicated teachers who were in education not for the money. I also saw many teachers that were there educating my children who, in my openion, weren't qualified to teach. In many subjects, after talking to them, I discovered that they were very lacking in their depth of knowledge in their subject matter. To me a teacher has the tools to explain a subject in many different ways so they can reach the various ways their students learn. An instructor only knows the subject matter as the book presents it. A lot of my children's educators were mearly instructors, not teachers.

 

[ddown]

I think they are on the right track getting inmates to stop and decide which path to continue on for the rest of their life.

"As oppossed to the contradictory statement below by Baltimoron
Would it make a big difference if one of these inmates were to die under this tyrannical warden? Prisoners that were not sentenced to death do not deserve it, no? And prisoners do have rights under the constitution, I would refer you to the Eigth Amendment.

Where I come from, nobod fears going to jail. Going to jail is just another source of street credit, something to be celebrated. People get murdered in jail. They die of AIDS and CUREABLE STDs in jail. They die of things that can be easil prevented, like heat stroke and chlamydia. Healthcare in Jails is just abominable here.

People here come through Jail here go right back to what they were doing before- killing people. The what good did the whole process do? How much money did the taxpayers spend to keep another villan off the streets? Why not teach them to get their GED, or maybe a college education while they are locked up so they can land on their feet after they get out? How much good does it really do to have them work on a chain line, when they could actually be making up for lost educational time?"


On August 3, 1993, he started the nation's largest Tent City for convicted inmates. Over 2000 convicted men and women serve their sentences in a canvas incarceration compound. It is a remarkable success story and has garnered the attention of government officials and media worldwide.

The same is true for his chain gangs which work six days a week contributing thousands of dollars of free labor to the community. The male chain gang and the world's first ever female chain gang clean streets, paint over graffiti, and bury the indigent in the county cemetery.

Equally impressive are the Sheriff's get tough policies. Arpaio doesn't believe in coddling criminals, frequently saying that jails should not be country clubs. He banned smoking, coffee, pornographic magazines, movies and unrestricted television in all jails. He has the cheapest meals in the country too. The average inmate meal costs under 20 cents.

Arpaio also has launched innovative rehabilitation programs like "Hard Knocks High ", the only accredited high school in an American jail. His ALPHA program teaches inmates to turn away from drugs. It is one of his proudest accomplishments. A high percentage of ALPHA graduates leave his jail clean and sober and rarely, if ever, return to incarceration.

As for his deputies, Arpaio has increased salaries, encouraged education by providing incentive pay, improved equipment and the fleet, and has elevated this office to a full-service, state-of-the-art world renowned law enforcement agency.

Also under Arpaio, the posse has grown to 3200 members, the nation's largest volunteer posse. These men and women, always are a great help to deputies, help in search and rescue and other traditional police work as well as in special operations like round-ups of deadbeat parents, fighting prostitution in the valley's so-called red light district, and patrolling malls and shops during holidays. The posse's contribution is invaluable and essentially free to taxpayers.

 

[Chaseh]

He also has no regard for the Constitutional rights of the American people. In his eyes everyone is breaking the law, he just needs a chance to catch them. If you are a fan of his you are no fan of the Bill of Rights.
Good luck to you and your buddy Sheriff Joe!

Which part of the Bill of Rights is he breaking?

 

[Bob3]

Not to wander too far off the topic, but seeing as how inmate education has been brought up; the California State Prison in Chino has a commercial diver training program that is one of the best anywhere. In addition to being very tough to get into, the hiring rate is about the highest of any school out there.

 

[dbg40]

I grew up nearly dirt poor, I was also tought that when you do somthing/anything wrong you stand to the punishment you deserve, period. I also learned the joy of hard labor and the satisfaction of muscle built by it. I learned that the police are not an evil presence but that they are just men and women like me and subject to the same mistakes, but to give them the respect they deserve because of the law they represent. I was tought the love of country by my father who served with honor in the united states army, and when it was my time, so did I as did my brother. By the unrealistic standards of "progressive liberalism" I should be a criminal, simply because of my social standing and almost total lack of financial security as a kid. Instead I just worked harder, and then served my country, it never occoured to me to become a thief.. or worse. I was tought skills in the Army that have served me well in life and for that I am thankful to the country that allows me and my family to be free and ,save for the criminal element, safe. I like to believe that my life is nothing special, and that I am only a small part of so many like me that try to do whats right... I believe this. So to ask me to feel sadness for the brazen vicious criminal acts of those who have no respect for themselves or any one or thing is a foreign thought, one I cannot comprehend. Everone here has a chance, some have to work at it a little harder but its there. So I say thank you to Sheriff Joe, and those like him ,it seems sad to me that when one is made to answer to their despicable antisocial behavior that they become the heroes and the punishment is borne by the victims more offten than not. usually by some misguided do-gooder brandishing a basterdized convoluted idea of the bill of rights. In todays spineless society its much harder to do whats right than it is to do wrong. I wonder if mercy is in the mind of those who rape beat murder and steal ? sorry I have no tears for them because they eat bologna, wear pink undies and are too hot. They had their chance. Dave.

 

[jokeborn]

I belive I did. If you want the info, discover it for yourself like I did. Prove me wrong and call me a lair, I dare you!


This is a fairly typical quote of a person who wishes the victim to be punished for being in the criminals way while he is conducting his business. As was asked for multiple times, what is the link to this information, or are you just spreading rumors to validate your own "political agenda"? I support your right to your opinion, but do not get upset when it comes out as opinion since you are not able to back it with fact.