On the merits of cranking up standards.

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a) Have even more standards to follow, a greater number of rules? Higher, more elaborate, more specific, rigid, prescriptive standards? How prescriptive should they be? Where should the line be drawn?

Standards are simply a check list. If you change them to make them more comprehensive or more prescriptive then they will still be a check list. Teaching diving -- if you know what you are doing -- is not about the check list. It's about everything else.

It's about the people work. It's about getting the nervous student to relax. It's about getting the perfectionist to not drive themselves crazy with unrealistic expectations. It's about spending the time debriefing mistakes and turning them into learning moments instead of moments of frustration. It's about getting the person who is chaotic and easily distracted to focus on a task. It's about teaching the student who goes too fast to slow down. It's about emotion. It's about attitude. It's about insight. It's about judgement. It's about logic. It's about team work dynamics, and so on.

The biggest difference in courses are not the standards but the amount of time given in the course to actually getting experience. People tend to think that if you spend more time on getting experience with a new skill that the standard is higher. It's not. If agency #1 spends 15 hours on a skill and agency #2 spends 2 hours on on the same skill then there is a good chance that the student has LEARNED exactly the same thing in both courses but that agency #1 offered the student 13 hours of EXPERIENCE. The standard (the description of the skill) could be exactly the same.

Naturally if everything else is the same, then the student from agency #1 will perform the skill more competently at the end of the course than the student from agency #2. However, after the student from agency #2 has gotten (on their own time) 15 hours of experience with the skill then the gap will be closed and the difference will no longer be noticeable.

In other words, the difference isn't standards. The difference is how much time for practice the student gets (and pays for) during the course. And THAT is the difference that gets confused with discussions about standards.

R..
 
A three day course seems ridiculous. I understand that in certain places, shops and instructors cater to the customer base that only wants to spend three days on being trained.
I take two full weekends, along with Mon-through-Friday nights during the week between those two weekends.
I am not the only one doing this.

Luckily for me, I teach independently, and am fortunate to have students that want to commit that time towards learning.
I would not be interested in teaching classes comprised of students that wanted to "get it done" in three days.

Maybe there should be less catering to the customer, or market desire for these three days courses, and instead focus on a more comprehensive training experience.
To do that takes much more time than three days in my opinion.

Perhaps if shops would tell customers to come back when they had more that three days to commit to training, the trend would reverse.

Or.......Maybe customers started asking for, or demanding the three day classes, because shops started dangling it in their faces......if you offer it, they will come.




You can get a license to dive for $300 in 3 days or for $1000 in 4 weeks. Not hard to figure out which shop will sell the most high margin equipment. The vast majority of people want what they see as the "license". A buddy I dive with had the 3 days and got the cert. If it would have taken 5 days he wouldn't have done it. He has been learning ever since. I took the course over several weeks. I've been learning ever since too.
 
One of the biggest problems that hinders good quality instruction is a purely practical one---shops lack access to an adequate place to do the confined water (pool) sessions.

That is the primary reason my own certification skipped so many standards. The pool we used was not deep enough at the deep end to do the deep water requirements (like hovering), so we did not do them. The shape of the pool (and its use by other hotel guests) did not lend itself to lap swimming, so that is probably why I did not have to do the swimming requirements. I don't know of the existence of any pool in the area that could have been used instead. When I was in Thailand a decade ago, I watched an instructor do the confined water part of the course in our hotel pool, with a maximum depth of about 4 feet--again not suitable for either the deep water skills or the swimming requirements. There are many resort areas I have visited where the only swimming pools are not suitable for scuba instruction, and there are no appropriate open water areas to use as a substitute.

When I was in Florida this past winter, I was working with a local dive operation to do some tech training with students who would be traveling in to meet with me there. I needed to do some of it in a pool with a deep end, and they had no idea where I would find one. It made me wonder what they did for their OW classes.

I did my Instructor Examination in a very popular dive site in the Rocky Mountains. The pool in which we did the confined water skills was only 4 feet deep, and I don't think there was a deeper one anywhere around. None of us was asked to demonstrate any of the deep end skills in it--we did them all in the open water site that would have been a standards violation if we had done them there as actual instructors.
 
I believe that improved quality comes from 5 approaches:

1. A sincere QA program.
2. Top-Down Quality Management
3. Empowering Quality Education
4. Progressive Skill Development
5. Improving Instructor Retention


QA needs to ensure that students are fully aware of what they should be achieving from training, before asking them for feedback on their course/instructor. The goals, skills and standards of a given course should be clearly defined to the student - along with an overall expectation of competency. This should be role-modeled by the agency through superlative and expert diving in training media and manuals.Video and still images must be carefully selected to display skill levels to which the trainee diver must aspire to master. They should be able to compare, or contrast, those skill levels with what they observe in their instructor. Customer provided QA feedback should also be backed-up with personal inspections. I'd love to see a 'mystery customer' QA program run by agencies.... for both courses and fun diving activities.

Top Down quality management really addresses the need to define standards through Instructor Trainer development. These are the people who literally shape the standard of diver education. From my perspective, ITs focus too much on training instructors to pass instructor courses, rather than to provide quality education. Instructor Trainers should role model apex level skills... many do not. Instructor courses should demand diving expertise as a pre-requisite - many do not. In respect to training instructors in specialty (specialist) diving areas - IT's are all too often not sufficiently expert in that specialism. Training the trainer is one thing. Training specialist diving skills is another.

Expertise should flow down the professional 'pyramid'. Sadly, there seems to be little demand for diving expertise at any level, for many agencies.

Agencies could also shape quality training by empowering dive instructors/centers to focus on quality, rather than quantity. We all understand how large agencies profit from quantity turn-over, at all training levels. We can see how perceptions are shaped that 'achievement' as an instructor (or IT) relates only to volume of student turn-over. There are no rewards for quality achievement. There is no incentive, nor motivation, for instructors/centers to strive for quality standards in skill development. Low prices, undemanding training and quick/convenient courses boost turnover. These are the antithesis of quality education.

Quick and convenient courses are obviously attractive to the modern generations. However, the concept of 'minimum requirements' has now become perceived as 'standard requirements'. Courses are advertised, quoted and sold on the basis of achieving certification in the bare minimum time and dives. We all understand that not every student (or many students) are really capable of achieving 'mastery' of a diverse skillset and new equipment within the bare minimum timescale. What's happened is that the industry degrades performance standards (the definition of 'mastery') to meet the timescale.... rather than increase the training timescale to meet needs of students obtaining 'mastery'.

This gross undertraining is hidden by increased molly-coddling of qualified divers. Divers who... supposedly trained to dive independently of supervision.... are capable of nothing more than following a DM like herded cattle... and who are reliant on that 'pro' support in every facet of their personal safety. It's a smokescreen to hide to the training deficit.

These problems are exasperated by a lack of core skill development in 'levels' of agency syllabus. Simply put, there is no re-testing, or expected progression of student core (fundamental) skill demanded by subsequent courses in an agencies' program. The agencies that DO demand skill progression (such as GUE) provide students, and instructors, with defined targets at each subsequent level... thus motivating divers to work independently on developing their diving skillset as they progress.

Even on a limited basis (course level to course level), a 'beginning with the next step in mind' philosophy could work wonders in promoting a focus on skill development. It needn't be 'beginning with the end in mind'... as not every diver aspires to technical diving levels.

This could be achieved by recognizing that pre-requisite qualifications for courses are meant to define an expected skill-set that the student can demonstrate. Courses should start with an assessment that proves the student can demonstrate the skill-set reflected by the certifications they hold. This should focus heavily on fundamental skills.

At staged levels (i.e. OW, AOW, Rescue, Deep/Wreck/Cavern)... the student should be expected to display a higher level of fundamental comptency, along with any specific comptencies demanded as pre-requisites. Lo and behold... students might start preparing themselves in advance of training..... less card collecting. And, of course, students would be able to identify previous instructors who 'short-changed' them in their training....as they'd be under-prepared for subsequent assessments/courses (and there's where a QA process has value).

Instructor retention is low in a volume-orientated market. Low course prices means low income for the educators. For most instructors, a prolonged 'career' in diving is unsustainable.... especially when family responsibilities come about. This results in a deficit of full-time, professional instructors. The employment pool is dominated by 1-2 years dilettantes... part-timer/bobby instructors and, a few, specialist (normally technical/cave type) instructors. The industry does not effectively protect it's expertise, nor allow it to flourish.
 
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admiker makes the point that it depends on the student's mind set. One year I had 4 beginner trombonists that excelled all the way through high school. Though trained to teach all instruments, my expertise is clarinet--the other instructor's was trombone. The reverse happened too sometimes with beginner clarinet players--he had some better ones than me at times.
 
Interesting discussion, but please remind me again: what's the problem you all are trying to solve?

You seem to be in solution mode. I am not sure we have a problem that needs solving...
 
If you go back to the old training and standards .... People will fail and give up on diving or not even try it... That's not good for the CASH COW that diving has become...

Jim...
 
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