On my last dive to 400 Ft...

[JeffG]

I've got enough examples to clog your mouth with. I think you not only belong in wine and cheese... you probably invented the category. I've seen "tech" divers banging into reefs in 30 feet of water all the while telling everyone how superior they were.
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I'll let you techies police yourselves

Were you beaten up as a child?

 

[ianr33]

. Some are excellent... some are nothing more than an OW Instructor teaching Nitrox, Wreck Penetration and Cave Diving.

Hey could you give me a name of one of these OW instructors that can certify me to go Cave Diving please? It might be faster and cheaper for me than doing it with a Tech agency. Thanks

 

[RonFrank]

I've got enough examples to clog your mouth with. I think you not only belong in wine and cheese... you probably invented the category.

Where did THAT come from?

Back to the example you used to attack my post... this was about an OW Instructor / Shop Owner telling a recently certified OWD that he should watch his gauges closely if he decided to go to 200 feet... and oh, he should wear doubles. I don't think that belongs in wine and cheese... I think it belongs on a big sign that reads DANGER DANGER Avoid this shop... and posted all over the internet... but that's not my job... I'll let you techies police yourselves

Providing more inforamtion in a new post, and then getting angry that I question your COMPLETE LACK of substance in the original is poor form.

Do you understand what Devils's advocate means? I guess you'd perfer if we all came with springs on our necks, and just nodded when supplied with basically worthless details. As it is, we must take your word on things. So I'd imagine we will be seeing some deaths shortly out of this ScubaShop. I can no imagine that newbie OW divers are going to do well with doubles at 200feet without any deco training.

Lighten up!

 

[RonFrank]

As I said, this troll was worth it.

The original post had no content... I guess it HAD to be a hijack.

 

[MikeFerrara]

ok, all that is great but what I want to know is how many of you wear your masks on your forhead...aside from the Cozumel bunch that is.

 

[GreenDiverDown]

ok, all that is great but what I want to know is how many of you wear your masks on your forhead...aside from the Cozumel bunch that is.

I usually put mine on my forehead when I emerge from Devil's Throat... at 135 feet!

... or so I've been told. :11doh:

 

[Manta Aria]

Yeah, but are you diving naked when you put it there? :evil:

 

[pt40fathoms]

... but ultimately a "tech" diver is still just a recreational diver... unless they are diving in their profession... and then they are a professional or commercial diver. The lines are blurred between the two. There is not a formal enough educational or certification process in place. Yes, there are "tech" training programs... but they differ from one place to the next. Some are excellent... some are nothing more than ....

Three very distinctive types of diving exist:

Recreational

Technical

Commercial

All three take place under water, after that similarity has been acknowledged, all other similarities tend to get less clearly defined. The lines that separate them are not solid and clearly marked, but they are most definitely there. But that's better addressed in another thread where the question is asked "what is the difference between the three types of diving". To address it here would only be another hyjack....however, your statement that "There is not a formal enough educational or certification process in place" is a clear indication that you need to do some homework and discover for yourself that the statement is wrong. Me telling you it is wrong would not have as much impact as you finding it out for yourself. But it will take time and effort, neither of which I suspect you are willing to invest.

 

[GDI]

Three very distinctive types of diving exist:

Recreational

Technical

Commercial

Ok add Military

 

[ghostdiver1957]

Three very distinctive types of diving exist:

Recreational

Technical

Commercial

All three take place under water, after that similarity has been acknowledged, all other similarities tend to get less clearly defined. The lines that separate them are not solid and clearly marked, but they are most definitely there. But that's better addressed in another thread where the question is asked "what is the difference between the three types of diving". To address it here would only be another hyjack....however, your statement that "There is not a formal enough educational or certification process in place" is a clear indication that you need to do some homework and discover for yourself that the statement is wrong. Me telling you it is wrong would not have as much impact as you finding it out for yourself. But it will take time and effort, neither of which I suspect you are willing to invest.

Being both an Instructor and a Commercial Dive Business Owner makes me well aware of what the differences are. In some areas of the country the seperation of the three is clear. In other areas they all kind of blend together. let me give you a profile of a diver and you tell me where he falls... this will prove my point.

Let's call him Ed (he's a friend of mine and that's not his real name)

*Ed has been diving for about 25 years.
*In the early 80's Ed received an Open Water C-Card from NASDS
A friend of his was a commercial diver and the company he worked for needed tenders, so they hired Ed and gave him some on the job training as a tender.
*Ed likes wreck diving and has dove for more than 15 years to wrecks in excess of 180ft. He never received any formal training in doing this. He started diving doubles on his own long ago.
*In 2001 (after 20+ years of diving) he took a Nitrox course through SSI because he wanted to easily be able to get his tanks filled with Nitrox.
*Ed has logged more than 3000 dives, but he stopped writing them in his logbook at around his 400th dive (so there is no record of his experience) He still carries only his original NASDS card and an SSI Nitrox card.
*Ed has dove caves in Florida and Mexico for the last 5 years without incident and has no formal cave training.
*Ed also has no formal Rescue Training or any other advanced training.
*Ed has worked for the past 2 years part-time for me cleaning boat bottoms and doing light salvage work in my commercial business. Prior to this I required him to read our Safety and Procedural Training Manual.

What type of Diver is Ed? Is he Recreational, Technical or Commercial? Do you consider him experienced enough to be all three? Do you still think he needs more training? My point is that most of the diving community (especially those diving 5+ years) can tell stories such as these. Most of them progress just fine without additional formal training from a money making agency. Just some food for thought... but I really want to know what type of diver you think he is... and how clear the lines really are in the overall world of diving?