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[deeper thoughts]

Another group of scientists claimed that al gores movie was nonsense, I am not qualified as probably most people to say who is right.The least we can do is raise the MPG standards

 

[TheRedHead]

So, does anyone care to speculate (can we ?) about what the motivation is for the last remaining scientists out there that are hanging on to the conjecture bit and resisting the newest science? Are they behind, or have they been bought off, denial, what? Are they like hired expert witnesses with an agenda or is it simpler than that?

Scientists have never agreed! There is little evidence for anything; it's mostly computer predictions. Some scientists believe global cooling will take place. Some are pointing to the sun heating up. If you read what scientists are writing to each other, it is obvious that there is no smoking gun like the popular media tries to present.

 

[Nemrod]

While y'all are fussing over Gore's global warming film that is based in about as much truth as the Kennedy film by Oliver Stone can we do something about condos. Yep, sheets of ice break off and does ook dramatic when it does. Even the UN scisntist dissagree with that fantasy film. But, do you think we can have all those condos condemmed and new contruction within one mile of the beach banned and I would like to see huge new preserve parks onshore and offshore. Apply eminant domain and sieze the land and sea. At the rate we are going there is going to be a Wal Mart on every inch of land. N

 

[bruehlt]

So, does anyone care to speculate (can we ?:no ) about what the motivation is for the last remaining scientists out there that are hanging on to the conjecture bit and resisting the newest science? Are they behind, or have they been bought off, denial, what? Are they like hired expert witnesses with an agenda or is it simpler than that?

I think we could enfoce the mpg on cars but higher prices will work the best. Populations may need to redistribute themselves closer and in to cities. These one and a half hour commute times are just ridiculous. People really do not have seem to be sort of oblivious to how harmful being on the roadways three hours a day in many places, is to their health, their families, etc. The amout of money wasted in commute time is mind boggling.

Actually, a couple of friends and I were discussing this. Its pretty interesting that people put money before anything else. People will not change their habits until it becomes economically feasible to them (ala - if gas gets above $4 a gallon, for example).

This is a shame, because from a psychological standpoint - it shows where our values as a society truely lie.

I really don't believe that people will change any time soon (regardless of how much damning evidence exists). I know this sounds negative, but this is one of the reasons why I don't believe we will survive as a species - we are just too damn egotistical and greedy.

 

[Cacia]

Well, I think the global warming concept is pretty accepted. There comes a point where you cannot argue against it with much credibility....

One thing that bugs me...is all the SUV knocking. I have two kids, dog, bikes, surfboards etc. You people need to buy a vowel and realize that if my kids take public transpo five days a week, we deserve to get in a gas guzzler and drive 20 minutes to a surf break, the north shore. If you are single and have a Yugo, more power to you. I guess you can tool around all day. I don't. I put about 8K a year on my guzzler, so please keep your stinkeye off me if you see me parking an X5 or an Avalanche. It is just like managing risks....I get an allowance, in my world.

I am not commuting from the burbs in a car everyday...so leave people alone with big cars unless you know the whole story. What's up with that? Trust me, I would rather be in a tiny convertible if I did not have all these bad roomates.--they are called kids, 2.0 replacement quota....or you SUV haters can drive them and their friends around. They are residents of the planet, after all, and they were not born already fully baked, knowing how to drive. They are going to replace you and I, and if I am going to do a decent job, we need to do things together in order for me to brainwash them adequately. (rant over)

Bruehlt: yes, prices will make people change. Money, the stuff you said most people put first? It forces you to choose what your priorities are. Drive around mindlessly (we did) or consolidate errands and roadtrips with others. Gas is pretty pricey in Hawaii and I see everyone making adjustments, believe me. I think it is going to be good for the environment and good for families.

 

[captain]

I hear what you're saying, but have you considered why these systems are so silt-laden?

It is natural, they were silt ladden when only Indians inhabited the coutry.

 

[TheRedHead]

Well, I think the global warming concept is pretty accepted. There comes a point where you cannot argue against it with much credibility....

The real controversy is over how much global warming and is it truly a bad thing? Some scientists are arguing we are heading into an ice age.

 

[Cacia]

what, Red? no mommy rant? I know you must drive an SUV. ... Trying to fly under the radar, perhaps? I think the whole global warming/ice age thing is a short term/ long term thing. Both can be true.

Another group of scientists claimed that al gores movie was nonsense,

because HE is nonsense.

 

[deeper thoughts]

but didnt he invent the internet(lol)

 

[Cacia]

he he. Well, I thought you were going to volunteer to drive my hoodlums around?