Nord Stream Pipeline Video

[HalcyonDaze]

How America took out the Nord Stream Pipeline : Peoples Dispatch

The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now

peoplesdispatch.org

Already discussed and already shot full of holes - worth a read if only for the discussion on what the USN's dive tables would proscribe for a 260-ft working dive: Blowing Holes in Seymour Hersh's Pipe Dream

Exactly, they already shut down deliveries, why blow up the pipeline?

Yes, I know about that article, but nowhere does it say those ships are Russians.

Strange thing, you, with some other people, think West has some high moral ground to stand on. You have done plenty of shady **** throughout the recent history, so I really can't see the reasoning behind the idea that there is no possibility to be involved in this.

You keep bringing up the moral angle - where, pray tell, do I include that in my prior reasoning? Reference to past behavior yes; moral judgement no (much as I may have sympathy for any pulverized piscines, as government skullduggery goes this is pretty minor stuff).

 

[MidOH]

Modern subs have lockout trunks, and even special dive lockers now. 260 is nothing.

Besides, who said 260? Cool thing about bombs..........they sink.

This is how Navy SEALs swim out of a submerged submarine

Lockout trunks are used as an escape hatch for the crew and to get SEALs off the ship.

www.businessinsider.com

Nord Stream attack: Senator raises alarms about alleged U.S. involvement

The United States continues to deny involvement in damaging Russian natural gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea in September.

www.newsweek.com

 

[HalcyonDaze]

Modern subs have lockout trunks, and even special dive lockers now. 260 is nothing.

Besides, who said 260? Cool thing about bombs..........they sink.

This is how Navy SEALs swim out of a submerged submarine

Lockout trunks are used as an escape hatch for the crew and to get SEALs off the ship.

www.businessinsider.com

Nord Stream attack: Senator raises alarms about alleged U.S. involvement

The United States continues to deny involvement in damaging Russian natural gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea in September.

www.newsweek.com

I'm just going to wait for the rest of the commentariat to laugh at "260 is nothing." Doable, yes. Requires a long deco period though - so it would have required the support ship to stay onsite for several hours. The AIS data for the one Norwegian minesweeper (not of the same class that Hersh claims, but we'll give him a little slack) shows it not coming within several kilometers of the pipelines and not stopping.

Sub is possible, but that's not going to help the deco much (and 260 is skinny water for a submarine) ... and it's not part of the story from Hersh's single "inside source," which is a recurring theme in what he's cranked out over the last ~15 years (that and they always seem to absolve some other party in the tale).

 

[Snusmumrik]

I'm just going to wait for the rest of the commentariat to laugh at "260 is nothing." Doable, yes. Requires a long deco period though - so it would have required the support ship to stay onsite for several hours.

Bells... Who said "bells"? Hyperbaric chambers on-board? ROVs? 260ft dive on rebreathers? No-no-no, it's all impossible for US/GB/Norwegians... Man, you throw here that politicized mess that those damn russkies blow up Nord Stream pipes... I want to remember to you two simple sentences :
"cui prodest" - ancient Rome jury formula.
And "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - Occam's razor.
Dixi.

 

[admikar]

You keep bringing up the moral angle - where, pray tell, do I include that in my prior reasoning? Reference to past behavior yes; moral judgement no (much as I may have sympathy for any pulverized piscines, as government skullduggery goes this is pretty minor stuff).

True, you haven't, but you are completely closed to the idea that there might be someone else involved in this except the Russians. Yes, looking at the USA. After all, it's the POTUS and other high ranking officials that said NS2 would be stopped by any means necessary.

You claimed that it is almost impossible to hide ship/airplane, yet you had absolutely no problem with accepting it was Russian Navy that did it.
So, I would like to know what is it that makes you so opposed to the idea that oh, so, holly USA/western allies are involved in this, unless it is perceived moral high gopund, which you said it is not?

 

[CT-Rich]

Anyone else wonder about how connected an 85 year old journalist is going to be? His Pulitzer was in 1970, 52 years ago. Most of the staff in the White House wasn’t even born yet. It’s not that Biden is going to surround himself with a geriatric mafia of other 80-somethings…

If I was going to go all Tom Clancy on this story, I would use a sub or a drone to deliver diver/payload. I can’t imagine a ship loitering directly over a pipeline to deliver divers for several hours in three locations and not expect for someone to notice. Especially during military exercises. It’s not like the Russians wouldn't notice a correlation between where the pipes were blown an that mine clearing ship parked directly over them…

 

[SlugLife]

Anyone else wonder about how connected an 85 year old journalist is going to be? His Pulitzer was in 1970, 52 years ago.

That's an "interesting" way of spinning the resume of a journalist with many decades of experience who has broken a bunch of big stories.

 

[MidOH]

You could park right on top of the line forever and nobody would notice.

Didnt a container ship pretty much tear up an oil pipeline in the gulf of mexico, with its anchor, recently.?

 

[tarponchik]

That's an "interesting" way of spinning the resume of a journalist with many decades of experience who has broken a bunch of big stories.

Sy Hersh was a perfect choice cause he's got quite a name. Also, at 85 he's got nothing to lose. They can't cancel him or even intimidate him. They can simply ignore him, as they did after his revelations on "chemical attack" in Syria.

 

[HalcyonDaze]

Anyone else wonder about how connected an 85 year old journalist is going to be? His Pulitzer was in 1970, 52 years ago. Most of the staff in the White House wasn’t even born yet. It’s not that Biden is going to surround himself with a geriatric mafia of other 80-somethings…

If I was going to go all Tom Clancy on this story, I would use a sub or a drone to deliver diver/payload. I can’t imagine a ship loitering directly over a pipeline to deliver divers for several hours in three locations and not expect for someone to notice. Especially during military exercises. It’s not like the Russians wouldn't notice a correlation between where the pipes were blown an that mine clearing ship parked directly over them…

Hersh's publication history since his last well-sourced and corroborated expose (Abu Ghraib in 2004) is ... interesting, to say the least. Among other things he's claimed since then that the U.S. military's Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is controlled by the Knights of Malta and Opus Dei (I would have gone with Southern Baptists myself, but I guess Dan Brown novels and Catholic church scandals were in vogue at the time), that Pakistan had Osama bin Laden under house arrest since 2006 and invited the US to execute him in a staged raid (which doesn't explain why said staged raid involved a full-scale training mockup of the compound, a helicopter crash, made the Pakistanis look incompetent at best and duplicitous at worst, and from SlugLife's posts on firearms he might have something to say about Hersh's assertion that the SEALs blew a 6' 4" man to literal bits with small arms for ... reasons ... before bagging the salsa up and throwing the pieces out the back of a helicopter), that a chemical weapons release in Syria was the result of insurgent chemical weapons destroyed in a Russian/Syrian strike (among other things his story identifies the wrong target building and ignores test results collected by independent investigatory bodies), and that Sergei Skripal was poisoned by the Russian mafia and not Russian agents (no explanation for why they used a complex nerve agent later slipped into the underwear of Putin's most persistent political opponent instead of, I dunno, just shivving him). When critics point out the holes in his stories he tends to fall back on "See? That's how far the conspiracy goes!"

My $0.02 wupiupi - the guy was never a fan of the U.S. government, and for good cause. His first big story was the My Lai massacre (which was corroborated by multiple sources including the U.S. Army and other journalists, as credible stories are) and went on to report on the CIA's plan to raise the Soviet submarine K-129. The latter was where I first heard of him; Blind Man's Bluff covered his work exposing that story and how the CIA persuaded him to hold off on publication (something he was furious about because he was lied to and it allowed another reporter to scoop him). Abu Ghraib was a ****stain in an already ****ty war and overall I suspect for Hersh the Bush Jr. administration was like a redux of the Vietnam/Nixon years. It seems like after that was when he started pushing thinly-sourced stories (usually involving one or two "inside sources" which seem to know about every level of the plot; so much for compartmentalization) which conveniently absolve another country of wrongdoing (Pakistan, Syria, Russia, etc.). My guess is he's either gone "freelance" in that respect or he's what the old KGB hands would term a "useful idiot."