Nord Stream Pipeline Video

[lexvil]

Why may puketin blow it up? Life insurance perhaps.

Germany to body guard, wanna make a quick $50,000,000…

 

[SlugLife]

Why may puketin blow it up? Life insurance perhaps.

Germany to body guard, wanna make a quick $50,000,000…

So, we should see an insurance claim somewhere, right?

 

[Vicko]

If Russia blew it up to destabilize NATO they missed a step or two considering they did not blame any NATO member for it.
The only plausible reason I see for Russia blowing it is that it forced the reluctant companies to sell cheap to India, considering Putin tried and failed to stop any gas flow to the west a number of times and got told no (by people who after the pipeline blew up kept meeting unfortunate accidents)
Of course it's just as plausible that Poland or Finland did it to make sure Ukraine gets all the help possible, they really don't want Russia to focus on their borders.

 

[admikar]

which according to ADS-B data there wasn't until 90 minutes after the first explosion (and it wasn't a Norwegian P-8).

The Russian Navy and/or GUGI may also have been looking for some laurels; the former hasn't covered itself in glory in the Black Sea and both might be looking to make sure their funding for shiny new toys doesn't get redirected towards the Army or some other element of the Russian military-industrial kleptocracy (see the German Kriegsmarine in WWII for some historical examples that did not turn out well). They might have pushed the plan to demonstrate their value to the war effort.

Now I am waiting for your explanation how they did it, considering it is closer to NATO countries than it is to Russia. According to you, you can't hide an airplane or a ship.

 

[lexvil]

So, we should see an insurance claim somewhere, right?

Not now, no point since they can’t just turn the gas back on.

 

[Pipehorse]

Maybe the Chinese did it with a balloon just so a bunch of guys on scubaboard could have lengthy arguments about whether the Russians or NATO/US did it.

 

[SlugLife]

The only plausible reason I see for Russia blowing it is that it forced the reluctant companies to sell cheap to India,

Gazprom is majority owned by the Russian government.

considering Putin tried and failed to stop any gas flow to the west a number of times and got told no

Source? This sounds like the same stories as claims Putin has 13 kinds of cancer, he's secretly mad at Shoigu, fired Lavarov 28 times already, and Russians ran out of missiles 10 months ago.

 

[HalcyonDaze]

I'm not following how any of this is a motive for Russia to blow up the pipeline, unless everyone at the Kremlin is high 24/7.

Seek glory by going rouge and blowing up your nation's own infrastructure using Russian military assets without Russia's permission? And doing that covertly at the same time?

Well, at this time last year I might have thought they can't be dumb enough to invade Ukraine ... and they still haven't been making the best logical choices to put it mildly. As far as the second point, I wasn't thinking "going rogue" - more like those services cooked up the plan and sold it to the Kremlin, like a brown-nosing employee trying to score points for a "brilliant idea" with the boss (probably using said boss's favorite buzzwords in the process).

If Russia blew it up to destabilize NATO they missed a step or two considering they did not blame any NATO member for it.
The only plausible reason I see for Russia blowing it is that it forced the reluctant companies to sell cheap to India, considering Putin tried and failed to stop any gas flow to the west a number of times and got told no (by people who after the pipeline blew up kept meeting unfortunate accidents)
Of course it's just as plausible that Poland or Finland did it to make sure Ukraine gets all the help possible, they really don't want Russia to focus on their borders.

Well, last I checked Russian officials had explicitly blamed the US and UK, so they checked off that box. The bit about "trying to stop gas flow" is erroneous; while Germany was still receiving deliveries from the Yamal-Europe pipeline Nord Stream 1 deliveries had first been throttled to 20% and then shut down due to "maintenance difficulties" that the Russians claimed were related to sanctions. Poland had been cut off entirely and I think a few other European countries also had deliveries reduced or halted (among other things, Russia had insisted that all customers pay in rubles, which was a maneuver to prop up their currency).

Now I am waiting for your explanation how they did it, considering it is closer to NATO countries than it is to Russia. According to you, you can't hide an airplane or a ship.

Well, there were a pair of ships with AIS transponders turned off that were detected by satellite synthetic aperture radar (SAR) in the area a few days before the blasts (‘Dark Ships’ Emerge From the Shadows of the Nord Stream Mystery), and Russian Navy surface ships and submarines were reported in the area ahead of the explosions. As far as proximity, remember that the primary base of the Russian Baltic Fleet is not Saint Petersburg at the opposite end of the Baltic - it's Kaliningrad, sandwiched between Lithuania and Poland roughly 150 nm from Bornholm. As the pipeline explosions did occur in international waters, Russian ships have legal right to operate there.

 

[admikar]

Well, last I checked Russian officials had explicitly blamed the US and UK, so they checked off that box. The bit about "trying to stop gas flow" is erroneous; while Germany was still receiving deliveries from the Yamal-Europe pipeline Nord Stream 1 deliveries had first been throttled to 20% and then shut down due to "maintenance difficulties" that the Russians claimed were related to sanctions. Poland had been cut off entirely and I think a few other European countries also had deliveries reduced or halted (among other things, Russia had insisted that all customers pay in rubles, which was a maneuver to prop up their currency).


Well, there were a pair of ships with AIS transponders turned off that were detected by satellite synthetic aperture radar (SAR) in the area a few days before the blasts (‘Dark Ships’ Emerge From the Shadows of the Nord Stream Mystery), and Russian Navy surface ships and submarines were reported in the area ahead of the explosions. As far as proximity, remember that the primary base of the Russian Baltic Fleet is not Saint Petersburg at the opposite end of the Baltic - it's Kaliningrad, sandwiched between Lithuania and Poland roughly 150 nm from Bornholm. As the pipeline explosions did occur in international waters, Russian ships have legal right to operate there.

Exactly, they already shut down deliveries, why blow up the pipeline?

Yes, I know about that article, but nowhere does it say those ships are Russians.

Strange thing, you, with some other people, think West has some high moral ground to stand on. You have done plenty of shady **** throughout the recent history, so I really can't see the reasoning behind the idea that there is no possibility to be involved in this.

 

[MidOH]

How America took out the Nord Stream Pipeline : Peoples Dispatch

The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now

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