nitrox

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

rbidot

Registered
Messages
5
Reaction score
0
Location
san antonio tx
# of dives
0 - 24
Air to Nitrox tanks... If there is a tech on board, I am planning to take a nitrox coarse soon. I don't have a nitrox tank, just air. What do I have to do to convert it for nitrox? The tank is Dacor. Do I have to replace the stem, or just the O-rings?
 
It really depends on how the nitrox is delivered. If the nitrox is partial pressure blended in the cylinder or the mix is to be greater than 40% Oxygen, the entire cylinder needs to be O2 service cleaned, along with the valve, with Oxygen compatable grease & O-rings used as pure oxygen is typically introduced to the cylinder first, then topped off with air. This is done to prevent possible contaminants from causing a potential fire or explosion. If the nitrox is pre- mixed or below 40% Oxygen content, before delivery to the cylinder, then there may be no real special preparations other than proper labeling, unless state or local laws or shop rules dictate otherwise. Changing O-rings isn't a bad idea, as the increased O2 levels can degrade the rubber O-rings faster. Having your cylinder O2 cleaned will not hurt anything & you will be able to have the cylinder either partial pressure blended or a pre- mix put in. Because my shop does partial pressure blending, after O2 cleaning my cylinders, I am very cautious as to where I have the cylinders filled, so as not to compromise the integrity of the O2 cleaning.
 
rbidot,

Best answer would be to take the tank to the shop where you are going to take the nitrox course. Tanks to be put into nitrox service to need to be cleaned for use with higher concentrations of O2. If your shop provides nitrox mixes then they will know how to clean a tank.

Hope this helps. Enjoy the course!
 
I'm taking the tank to a fire and safty place for hydro since it's out of date. Nothing againste shops, but the scuba shop told me 50 dollars. fire and safty told me 20 dollars. I'm trying to save money so I can go on more dives. Any and all advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much for your reply...
 
You would still have to have the tank cleaned, and there are fees for that wherever it's done. As Tammy mentioned not in all cases must a tank be O2 clean- it does depend on how it's filled. We have had folks who get pre-banked nitrox other places and then ask us for a fill. Since we add pure O2 and then mix with air to create the % O2 requested we have refused to fill. Same answer from other shops that use partial-pressure blending to make nitrox. Without an O2 service sticker you might be limiting your options.
 
Consider that if you're looking at partial pressure blending you'll need to O2 compatible clean the tank, and regardless of filling method you'll need VIP. If you're tank will be filled off banked EAN, up to EAN40, you won't need to O2 compatible clean the tank.

- Cleaning runs $30-50
- VIP ~$15

With five tanks I'm staring to feel the pinch.
 
Tanks do not have to be Oxygen clean for nitrox < 40%, if a membrane system is used to fill the tanks. You only need O2 cleaning if partial pressure blending is used. If you do have your cylinders O2 cleaned then every airfill whether nitrox or not has to be to the nitrox standard, if you want to maintain them O2 clean. I suspect for recreational diving, if you don't have access to a membrane filling station, don't bother with nitrox. You can recover from the bends, but you can't survive a seizure underwater! The added expense and hassle is not worth it for me. If I go passed a membrane station I get a nitrox fil otherwise I stick to air.
 
Plus, the added expense of possibly having to O2 clean your tank multiple times....

For example, you fill your tank right after an O2 clean....

Then, after several dives you take it to a shop to have it filled, and discover they use partial pressure filling....

And refuse to fill the tank because they have no proof that it is still O2 clean....

Rather than risk injuries they might just refuse to fill your tank....

Much better and cheaper to forget about O2 cleaning and just go to a LDS that fills from pre-mixed NOX stations....
 
JB:
Tanks do not have to be Oxygen clean for nitrox < 40%, if a membrane system is used to fill the tanks. You only need O2 cleaning if partial pressure blending is used. If you do have your cylinders O2 cleaned then every airfill whether nitrox or not has to be to the nitrox standard, if you want to maintain them O2 clean. I suspect for recreational diving, if you don't have access to a membrane filling station, don't bother with nitrox. You can recover from the bends, but you can't survive a seizure underwater! The added expense and hassle is not worth it for me. If I go passed a membrane station I get a nitrox fil otherwise I stick to air.[/QUOTE]

Your statement doesn't make much sense. Although membrane systems for Nitrox is nice, it is not the only way to get a Nitrox mixture. The Nitrox can also be pre-mixed using a mixing stick & then stored in a bank system or can be partial pressure blended within an O2 cleaned cylinder. My shop offers Nitrox through both partial pressure blending or a pre- mix done with a Nitrox mixing stick. I will occaisionally put hyper clean air (the same air that is mixed for partial pressure blending) into my nitrox cylinders, if I just want air or a more diluted mixture. By doing this, I do not have to worry about the O2 cleaning being compromised. If the OP is properly trained, he/she should be trained to analyze their mixtures. Analysis should be done before using ANY Nitrox cylinder, regardless of the method of how the Nitrox is made or blended. The OP should also be taught & know the MOD for the mixture they are using. That being said, by analysis & Knowing the MOD, Nitrox being created by any method, should be safe for recreational use, as long as the known limitations of the mix are adhered to. As long as the MOD for the analysed miture is followed the chance of siezures from Oxygen Toxicity should be absolutely minimal.
 
Last edited:
Plus, the added expense of possibly having to O2 clean your tank multiple times....

For example, you fill your tank right after an O2 clean....

Then, after several dives you take it to a shop to have it filled, and discover they use partial pressure filling....

And refuse to fill the tank because they have no proof that it is still O2 clean....

Rather than risk injuries they might just refuse to fill your tank....

Much better and cheaper to forget about O2 cleaning and just go to a LDS that fills from pre-mixed NOX stations....

If you o2 clean the tank the VIP sticker will state as such. It's FAR more convenient to be able to get fills wherever you want than to be limited to shops that stick blends.

I have never had ANYONE deny a PP fill for such nonsense. I also don't know anyone that uses unfiltered compressors that would allow contaminates into the bottle. Maybe a crusty old live aboard or unregulated Caribbean operation but then you would likely be using their bottles.

OP get your tank o2 cleaned and get your fills from wherever you want. The fire department may send your bottle out for hydro but they will not o2 clean it or VIP it. The dive shop likely included the cost of the VIP and a fill in your quote so it's likely you will find that the shop wasn't beating you up on the hydro. They will however remember you beating them up over ~$5. :D
 

Back
Top Bottom