New Fast-Attack Nuclear Submarines to be Named Arizona and Oklahoma

[formernuke]

You guys really have no clue. We sank our entire task force playing war games.

 

[Akimbo]

Should we scrap our P-3s and 7s? MAD, Sonobuoy, dipping sonar, etc.

I was originally trained as an aviation ASW Tech and still have friends in the business. Aviation ASW assets can chase subs away from ports and task forces but they can't find subs in deep water without a great deal of luck. The physics of detection favors subs by a HUGE factor. That is why they are so successful at intelligence gathering.

 

[Jared0425]

I think a hard core congressional hearing facing down the Navy and Lockheed is needed.

Taiwan to consider purchasing decommissioned US littoral combat ships | Taiwan News | 2022-04-11 17:44:00

Ministry of National Defense to evaluate benefits of American LTCs to bolster Taiwan’s defense | 2022-04-11 17:44:00

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[Wookie]

I think a hard core congressional hearing facing down the Navy and Lockheed is needed.

Taiwan to consider purchasing decommissioned US littoral combat ships | Taiwan News | 2022-04-11 17:44:00

Ministry of National Defense to evaluate benefits of American LTCs to bolster Taiwan’s defense | 2022-04-11 17:44:00

www.taiwannews.com.tw

LCS’s that don’t cross oceans are perfect little ships.

Trying to use them in a world-responding navy is a poor approach.

Giving them to Taiwan (or deploying them to Bahrain) is a perfect solution.

 

[Akimbo]

LCS’s that don’t cross oceans are perfect little ships.

Trying to use them in a world-responding navy is a poor approach.

Is the sea keeping of the Independence and Freedom-class littoral combat ships that bad or is it more that the USN should stay in blue water? They are pretty big vessels at ±400'/120m — way bigger that the ASRs, ARSs, and ocean going tugs that a lot of divers are assigned to.

 

[Jared0425]

LCS’s that don’t cross oceans are perfect little ships.

Trying to use them in a world-responding navy is a poor approach.

Giving them to Taiwan (or deploying them to Bahrain) is a perfect solution.

We got plenty of green water along our coasts and the Caribbean they could ply. We even have a service that is in dire need of ships.

 

[Wookie]

Is the sea keeping of the Independence and Freedom-class littoral combat ships that bad or is it more that the USN should stay in blue water? They are pretty big vessels at ±400'/120m — way bigger that the ASRs, ARSs, and ocean going tugs that a lot of divers are assigned to.

It isn’t their sea-keeping ability, it’s two issues AFAIC.

1. If they have to steam with a battle group, they have to go everywhere at the speed of the bird farm. They are capable, but not a bunch of times. The propulsion train just isn’t set up for long high speed runs. If you run everywhere at the speed of the bird farm, you’re going to break stuff.

2. We’re training our operators to be operators instead of crew. The navy destroyed the pooch on this one by having a crew of 87 on a 400 foot warship. They compensated by telling the crew that they didn’t have to fix anything, IMA would not only fix what breaks, but they will even come do PMS for them. Who ever heard of a crew not doing their own maintenance? We’re training bad sailors. To compound the issues, LCSs are run with a blue and gold crew. So no one “owns” the ship.

as a Coast Guard asset with a full time crew, and not running everywhere at 30 knots, I think that they would do just fine.

The major failures of the combining gear have 100% been operator error.

 

[Jared0425]

@HalcyonDaze

Have you read anything on the capacity and capability of the carrier Shinano? Some are calling her the first Supercarrier.

 

[Wookie]

@HalcyonDaze

Have you read anything on the capacity and capability of the carrier Shinano? Some are calling her the first Supercarrier.

But she sunk 10 days after commissioning..

 

[Wookie]

But she sunk 10 days after commissioning..

And although she was big, she was a converted battleship.