Naive - Difference between DIR & hogarthian?

[Uncle Pug]

I thought we weren't supposed to feed trolls? :58:

UP, will you tell me more...GUE preacher, DIR the word...

Hmmm.... what to do with this... To feed or not to feed ~ that is the question.



Dan says he likes GUE but then uses the wrong metaphor and intimates that he likes the message but doesn't like the messenger.

GUE isn't the message. They are the messengers promoting and teaching a message which is the holistic (and very robust) system of diving they call DIR.

So... Dan is essentially diagreeing with himself because he doesn't discern between organization that teaches and subject taught. This shows that he knows very little of either... only what he has misunderstood reading with a prejudicial mind on the internet.

I get bonus DIR points for using both holistic and robust in this post.

 

[OE2X]

Laurel - to try and answer your question.
When you dove with us you saw us all in BP&W's and most of us that were on my boat try to be DIR. So I have a decided bias...

For your BP&W - since you are diving a wetsuit, I would look into getting a heavier BP and STA. Not sure how much weight you need, but my configuration comes in at 16 lbs. I love how it is evenly trimmed. Scott Koplin and FredT among others make a 10# BP. As to a wing - my personal preference is an Oxycheq Signature wing. I don't think you will go wrong there.

As to courses: I think DIR-F would be a good idea for you. It does an excellent job of covering the basics that most people aren't aware of. It offers basic tools and techniques that most people find dramatically improves their diving. I found it to be an eye opener for me. It took me a bit to get over just doing practice dives, but now I manly just dive for fun. As too other courses I can't pass judgement there. You have dove with UP, so you know where he comes from. I have to say that for me the best and most thinking divers that I've dove with are Tech 1-2 or Cave 1-2 certified divers. There are some other divers that are NAUI Tech instructors that I would like to dive with. After talking with them, I'm convinced that they know their stuff as well.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...

 

[Diver0001]

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To my mind, training SHOULD make you reconsider the way you dive, otherwise it was propably a waste of your time and money......

Most definitely......but where is the line?

Everyone would agree that a scuba course shouldn't make you believe that you can do things that you can't/shouldn't.... but should it fill you with doubt? Where is the balance between tra-laa-laa and ego-bruising? Is there room for improving your skills without taking two steps back? Is there room for puddlestomping without perfection? Does it need to be difficult? Does it need to be complicated?

R..

 

[Uncle Pug]

A DIRf is a *fundamentals* workshop style class. It was developed because so many did not have the requisite skills to successfully begin much less complete a Tech 1 class.

Many divers, especially those with a lot of *experience* tend to think they have the fundamentals well in hand. That they don't becomes painfully obvious in a DIRf and that seriously bruises some egos.

The DIRf isn't hard at all... but it does give you ample opportunity to demonstrate your lack of skill under an increasing task load. Those who would rather not know the truth about themselves should probably take another PADI specialty class instead.

 

[OneBrightGator]

To my mind, training SHOULD make you reconsider the way you dive, otherwise it was propably a waste of your time and money...Maybe thats just me though...

I agree with you, but you need to implement changes, re-evaluate and continue on, taking a step back or out will not help you improve your diving, the reason you took the training in the first place.

 

[TCDiver1]

I just prefer a more flexible approach to doing things and for the most part, GUE does not appear to offer that.

Your not the only one that feels that way Brian.

 

[Diver0001]

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The DIRf isn't hard at all... but it does give you ample opportunity to demonstrate your lack of skill under an increasing task load.

So what you're saying is it's possible to turn a diving course into something like a game of Tetris. It's a given that you will lose eventually as long as the chips stack up fast enough.... and at the end of it all.........the conclusion is..........that you can't win at Tetris......

I'm all for task loading excercises and being confronted with personal boundaries but I don't believe that a "Kobayashi Maru" is going to help most people feel better about what they learned.

R..

 

[WaterDawg]

I get bonus DIR points for using both holistic and robust in this post.

Yes but the word we were looking for was "SLICK", yes "SLICK"...thanks for playing.

Dan you cant come on a board, make a ridiculous statement then ask people to prove to you that you are wrong.

You see I gain nothing trying to prove the quality of GUE training (can that actually be proven?) Im not the one w/ a vandetta againsta training agency or anyone else.


You are the one making wild claims, you prove it to us. Or take a class and see what yo think. ALL of us have taken PADI,NAUI,SSI classes so we kinda know the other side, its you whos talking like you know something youve NEVER known.

Good luck.

 

[BigJetDriver]

I get bonus DIR points for using both holistic and robust in this post.

Damn smooth! I like it! Many bonus points!

Rob

 

[cornfed]

"Kobayashi Maru"

Is that dutch for "cluster ******"?