"Mexico Safer than Headlines Indicate"

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Mexico isn't safer than relation to the US. Mexico as a whole is far more deadly a place then the US. I haven't read any headlines about drug dealers setting any casinos on fire in Las Vegas and innocent people being trapped and burned to death, however I have read these headlines about Mexico.

The truth is that there are PARTS of Mexico that are EXTREMELY dangerous, without anything paralleling it in the USA, and there are parts of Mexico that are just as safe as parts of the USA.

As long as the drug violence remains isolated enough away from tourist areas you can feel relatively safe there. However, those safe areas are being chipped away on a slow methodical march. Acapulco a one time huge American tourist destination has become extremely dangerous and on the State Departments list of places to avoid. There were plenty of people saying not long ago that Acapulco is perfectly safe, the trouble is at the border towns.

There were recent drug related murders of innocents as close as Cancun (outside the beach / tourist area) and there have been isolated incidents of drug violence in Cozumel, with so far limits that have not resulted in the violence spilling onto tourists. Just a short hop away from Cozumel is the Isla of Mujeres, which sits right across from Cancun, it has a rather largish Mexican Naval base and next to it is an area filled with dozens and dozens of confiscated drug runner boats. They are there for anybody to see and cannot be mistaken for what they are. (There aren't too many fisherman who need a fleet of brand new boats all outfitted with triple 250 HP out boards and cheap fishing rods taped to the rigging)

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Last year I and hundreds of tourists watched the Mexican navy surround and confiscate and tow away (very quietly) a 100 foot drug running yacht less than 100 yds off shore on the most popular tourist beach on Isla Mujeres, 50 caliber machine guns pointed and at the ready, two Mexican Navy gun boats involved. A few people on the beach remarked - "isn't it nice how their navy helped tow that guys boat for him", which of course displays to me how naive a lot of us are.

Across the channel from Cozumel in Akumal I've seen the Mexican Army regularly patrolling the beaches at night in search of washed up drugs and drug runners. Just as 5 years ago Acapulco was relatively safe, that has changed, it can change anywhere at anytime. While Cozumel has been well isolated from drug related violence for a long time, that can change at anytime, all it takes is changing circumstances.

In Roatan just a couple of years ago some locals got mixed up with the mainland drug runners and crossed them, stuck their noses where they didn't belong and death and violence flared up on the east end of the island where none had been before, all it takes is something, a relationship, a cousin, somebody doing something they shouldn't, somebody stretching a territory, somebody looking for new opportunities, and violence can flare in any location in Mexico, Cozumel has no magic shield over it, it's just so far remained out of the violence and remained to some degree off the radar, hopefully it stays that way and hopefully someday Mexico gets it's act together in so many ways and the drug wars disappear. But til then the only thing you safely say is so far so good, but let's not be naive about it, everything is subject to change.
 
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I agree. The discussion should be about specific locales rather than the countries in which they are. All this furor reminds me of the story of the three blind men and the elephant. Mexico is dangerous, Mexico is safe... it depends on what part of Mexico you are talking about, and yes, it could be different tomorrow from what it is today.

Apropos of nothing other than an attempt to lighten the mood, I give you...

Three blind elephants came upon a human. The first elephant felt the human and declared, "Why, humans are flat!" The other two elephants felt the human and concurred.
 
That the nice thing about the link to the map. It gives the geographically challenged among us a perspective on where the bad places are rather then over generalizing the entire country.
 
Love Mexico. Granted I've spent the majority of my time on the Mayan Rivierra, quite possibly the best place on earth.

However, as far as the other places go. What I've found is that if you are not "in the game". Then you have a low probability of being harmed. When I say in the game, I mean if you are not buying drugs, running drugs, selling drugs, or trying to stop drugs, or supporting one of the former then you are relatively safe. Is there collateral damage? you betcha. This isn't meant to say tiajuana is mayberry if you are not in the drug game.
 
That the nice thing about the link to the map. It gives the geographically challenged among us a perspective on where the bad places are rather then over generalizing the entire country.

If only it were 100% accurate which it isn't..........
Say for instance Veracruz is listed as green in August, as of Oct it now has a warning.
Emergency Messages for U.S. Citizens | Embassy of the United States Mexico City, Mexico

Also it does not list any parts of the Yucatan as having official warnings yet the drug war is rampant as are deaths. If you read the news from Cozumel you would notice drug related crime and deaths are not rare anymore as a matter of fact they are common and are reported just about weekly. Someone mentioned that Mexico is more dangerous than other parts of the world......maybe he was thinking of this:

11/29 - Last Friday, Mexican human rights lawyer Netzai Sandoval filed a petition with the International Criminal Court (ICC), the world’s war crimes tribunal, to open an investigation into the actions of the Mexican government and top cartel leaders’ actions as crimes against humanity. The petition, filed by Mexican human rights activists, calls for an investigation into the deaths of hundreds of civilians at the hands of the military and drug traffickers in Mexico.“The violence in Mexico is bigger than Afghanistan, the violence in Mexico is bigger than Columbia”, Sandoval stated when explaining his reasoning of taking his complaints to the highest authority.

Here is the link to that:

Cozumel Insider - Cozumel News - Local Island News in English Updated Weekly - Cozumel Insider

That also lists many statistics from the last few years about the violence in Mexico and where it occurs.

The map also CLEARLY states "some of the warnings issued by the State Dept". That is NOT all of the warnings and there very well might be places to avoid not listed.

Some people may claim that all the Mexican newspapers lie and there are places that are perfectly safe. I am of the opinion the State Dept is way behind on their warnings based on what has been reported the last few years in all of Mexico. If you are going to travel anywhere in Mexico it would be prudent to exercise due diligence before making any plans.
 
One of the main reasons that Cozumel remains outside of the cartel wars is that it is extremely difficult to do anything really bad here and away from the island. Now if they can get some of their guys into believing in the 62 virgins thingy, and get suicide bombers to play ball then they might be able to do something really ugly. I don't know of any Mexican will will get into that.

Indeed, for that very reason President Calderon has visited Cozumel 5 times this year and dives with Aldora. So, the bottom line is that Cozumel is geographically as well as culturally isolated from those wars and will most likely stay that way.


Dave Dillehay
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If you read the news from Cozumel you would notice drug related crime and deaths are not rare anymore as a matter of fact they are common and are reported just about weekly.


Weekly drug murders? Really Pokerguy? I suppose any day the cartels will take over and we will be CUT OFF from the mainland? There seems to be an increase in drug murders in Cozumel, but weekly is simply not true. I read Por Esto like everyday and if there was a way for them to report a murder ever week they certainly would. (even if the guy got better....) They did just have a guy from Cancun who was staying (or hiding) here get popped in the gourd this week, but still it is nowhere near weekly.

So like hurricanes, lets not BLOW this out of proportion...... :storm:

Oh and I saved my receipts from the drinks at El Moro..... I'm just saying....
 
Weekly drug murders? Really Pokerguy? I suppose any day the cartels will take over and we will be CUT OFF from the mainland? There seems to be an increase in drug murders in Cozumel, but weekly is simply not true. I read Por Esto like everyday and if there was a way for them to report a murder ever week they certainly would. (even if the guy got better....) They did just have a guy from Cancun who was staying (or hiding) here get popped in the gourd this week, but still it is nowhere near weekly.

So like hurricanes, lets not BLOW this out of proportion...... :storm:

Oh and I saved my receipts from the drinks at El Moro..... I'm just saying....

Correction.......drug related crime and OR deaths. Drug related arrests are happening much more and some deaths also.
 
Correction.......drug related crime and OR deaths. Drug related arrests are happening much more and some deaths also.

Well about any place in the US has drug related crimes every week. I might agree with you that more drug possession crimes are being reported at least. It was a bad low season. Picking up a drunk guy standing in the street with a dime bag is hardly that exciting. Even the dealers they pop are holding small amounts that would be typical of drug distribution anywhere in the US as well. "Police confiscated 5 doses of cocaine roca and 5 doses of dried grass believed to be marihuana, 1500 peso and a cellphone." Really nothing exciting. Biggest drug hauls they get are the cargo that washes ashore on the east side after being lost overboard or ditched. So again, ordinary 'storm' of drug distribution, not the 'hurricane' of drug trafficking in other parts of Mexico.
 
Okay, someone compare Coz to Washington DC. 2009 had 122 murders that year. Mexico hasn't had that many Americans killed in two years.

Coz, or DC? Coz, or DC . . . Of course, I would go to DC, but would be smart about where I go. :wink:
 
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