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Freewillie- there aren't specific questions on the form.

I am just really annoyed because I think it is impossible for a general practitioner to have any idea, she has no specialized training in dive medicine or spinal cord injuries. The signature is pointless because as far as I see it is uninformed based on my general good health, and people in general good health do not need a doctors signature. My husband for instance doesn't have any medical form to fill out. I've talked to specialists, because i am really concerned about the risk, but it would be well after summer before I could get an appt with them, so I won't be able to dive at all if I end up needing to go that route (they have all told me diving carries some extra risk for me, but encourage it). This is a bit of a time limited proposition.

Thats why I'm annoyed about having to actually go to the dr. to have the form signed. She can only do a general physical and that in no way addresses my issue. Since she has been treating me for an extended period of time, she knows the information that she is being asked to sign off on without me being present.

The masks my husband and I have are tempered, so hopefully they will do.
 
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Generally, if the price is close I do like to support my LDS and give them the business, but that is the subject of another thread.

I disagree, in my opinion the OP brought up this subject and is therefore is open for discussion. Also in my opinion, it is not cool to go to an LDS and try on their gear and then go buy it online. As previously stated, an LDS makes it's money on gear not classes and therefore should be shown due respect. If you want to buy online that is fine but don't waste the LDS' staff's time when they could be helping someone that is actually going to buy from them. When go to the shop you get there expertise and experience in the purchase process as well. If they don't have what you think you want then by all means go online. I know my LDS will get me anything I want, all I have to do is ask. Just last night, I told the LDS owner that I wanted "to look at" a Hollis Mk4 mask. His response? I will call the rep and ask him to send me one. Build a good relationship with your LDS and they will take good care of you.

I hope you get your clearance to dive it is a blast. Good luck in your course and gear choices.
 
Also in my opinion, it is not cool to go to an LDS and try on their gear and then go buy it online. As previously stated, an LDS makes it's money on gear not classes and therefore should be shown due respect. If you want to buy online that is fine but don't waste the LDS' staff's time when they could be helping someone that is actually going to buy from them.

I'm totally new to diving, but I sew- and I really feel the same way about the Local Quilt Shop. Either buy from them, or don't window shop there. But I try to buy from them, because they are going the way of the dodo, and if I want a local facility, I have to support them.

There isn't a ton of diving in Iowa, that I know of at least, so if I want a dive shop available, I'll have to support them. My guess is we will end up 'bettering' our gear, but I'm hoping to at least get through OW without having to buy new masks/snorkels, it's a lot of money up front for the class, so I'd like to use what I have for now.

My husband says he doesn't want to pay a 'beginner tax' (having to buy a second pair because the first ones you bought weren't good enough) on fins- but from what I can tell, fins are really personal and it sounds like most people go through a few pairs anyway, so maybe it does make sense to buy less expensive and then get better ones later. Because even if I do get a great pair, they might not be great for me. Or I might not like diving at all....

I probably should have done a Discover Scuba first- just to make sure I can do this before investing anything else, but like I said, I'm a bit time limited to get this done this summer, and for a bizarre reason Discover Scuba happens the day after OW classes start, so you can't take it and then decide to go into the class that month. So it would set me back even further. Due to general anxiety, I'm already anticipating needing extra time, so I'm trying to build that in to the schedule!
 
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A perfectly good mask can be had for surprisingly little money. The lenses do want (need) to be tempered glass, not plastic. It has nothing to do with pressure, you just need something hard that you can maintain. The skirt and straps want to be silicone clear or otherwise. This will be true for anything but real crap. After that it's all about fit, fit and fit. If you have been using this one with the snorkel without appciable leaking then fit should be a winner. More here.

Same thing with the snorkel, if it's comfortable enough then it is good enough.

Fins and booties want to be bought as a pair. The heft of boots varies a lot between brands and models and it can easily jump you a fin size either way. I suugest getting a boot with a nice solid bottom. it will be nicer when traversing terrain in full gear. Get boots then pick fins you like and get them to fir the boots. You may be able to trry some shop fins on your new booties for a session or 2.

Pete
 
I tried all sorts of masks but ended up going back to $35.00 mask the LDS uses for training. It seems with masks within reason high price doesn't equate to comfort or for that matter quality
 
I'm totally new to diving, but I sew- and I really feel the same way about the Local Quilt Shop. Either buy from them, or don't window shop there. But I try to buy from them, because they are going the way of the dodo, and if I want a local facility, I have to support them.

That's awesome, I am glad that you understand what I meant and that I didn't come off like a jerk.

There isn't a ton of diving in Iowa, that I know of at least, so if I want a dive shop available, I'll have to support them. My guess is we will end up 'bettering' our gear, but I'm hoping to at least get through OW without having to buy new masks/snorkels, it's a lot of money up front for the class, so I'd like to use what I have for now.

So...you now have piqued my interest. Why the big time bug to dive? What did you do or see that stoked the dive fire? Just curious, not judging in anyway.

My husband says he doesn't want to pay a 'beginner tax' (having to buy a second pair because the first ones you bought weren't good enough) on fins- but from what I can tell, fins are really personal and it sounds like most people go through a few pairs anyway, so maybe it does make sense to buy less expensive and then get better ones later. Because even if I do get a great pair, they might not be great for me. Or I might not like diving at all....

I can completely agree with your husbands thoughts. I bought the expensive stuff right from the beginning and now that I am looking dry suits I have to rethink my fins because of the type of boots I my getting to go with my dry suit. I did go thru two pair of fins but that was because the LDS where I originally certified let me return the first pair because they hurt my knee's.

I probably should have done a Discover Scuba first- just to make sure I can do this before investing anything else, but like I said, I'm a bit time limited to get this done this summer, and for a bizarre reason Discover Scuba happens the day after OW classes start, so you can't take it and then decide to go into the class that month. So it would set me back even further. Due to general anxiety, I'm already anticipating needing extra time, so I'm trying to build that in to the schedule!

Doesn't that just figure??? Discover Scuba after the classes start. I would think they would set that up for you to begin with. I knew for sure that I wanted to dive so I passed on the Discover Scuba myself. There were a couple of people that tried the Discover Scuba before doing OW at our previous shop and then signed up for OW. There are a lot of opportunities to dive out here so it is not hard to find a shop that does the classes more frequently.
 
I disagree, in my opinion the OP brought up this subject and is therefore is open for discussion. Also in my opinion, it is not cool to go to an LDS and try on their gear and then go buy it online. As previously stated, an LDS makes it's money on gear not classes and therefore should be shown due respect. If you want to buy online that is fine but don't waste the LDS' staff's time when they could be helping someone that is actually going to buy from them. When go to the shop you get there expertise and experience in the purchase process as well. If they don't have what you think you want then by all means go online. I know my LDS will get me anything I want, all I have to do is ask. Just last night, I told the LDS owner that I wanted "to look at" a Hollis Mk4 mask. His response? I will call the rep and ask him to send me one. Build a good relationship with your LDS and they will take good care of you.

I hope you get your clearance to dive it is a blast. Good luck in your course and gear choices.
Completely agree. It is not cool and is poor form to shop at the LDS, take up staff time, try out gear, then buy on line. As I said, if the price is close I will give my LDS the business and buy from them.

The subject of whether you should buy online or LDS has been the subject of other threads and I didn't want the thread to go into a what is better LDS or online tangent.

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Freewillie- there aren't specific questions on the form.

I am just really annoyed because I think it is impossible for a general practitioner to have any idea, she has no specialized training in dive medicine or spinal cord injuries. The signature is pointless because as far as I see it is uninformed based on my general good health, and people in general good health do not need a doctors signature. My husband for instance doesn't have any medical form to fill out. I've talked to specialists, because i am really concerned about the risk, but it would be well after summer before I could get an appt with them, so I won't be able to dive at all if I end up needing to go that route (they have all told me diving carries some extra risk for me, but encourage it). This is a bit of a time limited proposition.

Thats why I'm annoyed about having to actually go to the dr. to have the form signed. She can only do a general physical and that in no way addresses my issue. Since she has been treating me for an extended period of time, she knows the information that she is being asked to sign off on without me being present.

The masks my husband and I have are tempered, so hopefully they will do.
Actually, I am a primary care and a general practice MD. Despite your supposition it is possible for a general practice MD to determine if a person is physically for for any activity. Just because I dont play football doesn't mean I can't sign a high school kids physical clearance form. I am also required to verify that your answers are correct. How does PADI know that you didnt lie about having a medical condition to avoid a medical exam? And have you seen the PADI medical form? It is several pages long and very detailed. I'm sorry to be brutally honest but I don't care how long you have been a patient if you want me to sign a form I can lose my license and my house if I am sued you are coming into my office for a visit on my terms.

Oh, and now it comes out that you have a spinal cord injury?! You bet I am going to ask you very direct and very pointed questions about what you can and cannot do in regards to physical activity without pain. Please, I don't have to be a neurologist or orthopedic surgeon to ask if you have back or neck pain with activity.
 
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I love my LDS and feel guilty buying anything online without giving them a chance to get it for me. Hell I feel guilt buying from another local shop, because I don't train with them Weird, I know. But I want these guys to succeed and they have earned my business and loyalty.


Back to the mask, the first mask I bought, I tried every mask in the shop on. I didn't go for the $259 HD mask but I did spend about $125. It's a very nice mask, HD, fits my face very well. Then I was in the shop one afternoon and they had just received a case of HOG frameless low volume masks. $39 mask. I bought one with evey intention of using it as a backup. It's my main mask now. It just goes to show that price isn't everything. And a great shop will happily sell you a $39 mask if that's the right mask for you.
 
The subject of whether you should buy online or LDS has been the subject of other threads and I didn't want the thread to go into a what is better LDS or online tangent.

I couldn't agree with you more on the tangent/rampage thought. Those threads tend to lose my interest very quickly.
 
So...you now have piqued my interest. Why the big time bug to dive? What did you do or see that stoked the dive fire? Just curious, not judging in anyway.




Doesn't that just figure??? Discover Scuba after the classes start.

We are going on a vacation basically to get more ocean snorkeling in before we go to the Galapagos. We decided it would be fun to dive while we are in Cozumel. I have zero interest in cold water diving, so if I want to be OW certified before the vacation, I need to do it in the summer. If I don't get OW certified this year, it is unlikely I will. Our next vacation is the Galapagos, and we will NOT be diving there (no way we could be experienced enough) and it will be awhile before we get to a tropical location. I didn't want to just do Discover Scuba in Mexico though, not being in aware of what things meant scared me...so I want to take the classes and such here.

The Discover Scuba class cost 1/3 of the OW classroom/pool, so I figured it was fine to just sign up. If it turns out it isn't for me, at least I have cool books to read... You don't have to pay for check out dives until you finish pool, so not too much money lost.

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Actually, I am a primary care and a general practice MD. Despite your supposition it is possible for a general practice MD to determine if a person is physically for for any activity. Just because I dont play football doesn't mean I can't sign a high school kids physical clearance form. I am also required to verify that your answers are correct. How does PADI know that you didnt lie about having a medical condition to avoid a medical exam? And have you seen the PADI medical form? It is several pages long and very detailed. I'm sorry to be brutally honest but I don't care how long you have been a patient if you want me to sign a form I can lose my license and my house if I am sued you are coming into my office for a visit on my terms.
I see an NP. I LOVE my NP. I go to her specifically because for my general care issues and well-woman exams I feel she does a much better job than any MD I've worked with. However, there is a limit to her training. She probably does hundreds if not more football physicals a year. Without playing football, I bet she still understands the limits that most people have regards to whether they can play football. As a diver, you probably have a good understanding of what limits diving. I don't think people without that experience really know much about it. There are so many misunderstandings about diving, heck, I have them and have learned a whole heck of a lot in the past few weeks. How does PADI know I didn't lie? They clearly don't care, since you only have to even GET a doctor's signature if you answered yes to a question, of which I answered yes to one. Like I said- my husband doesn't have to go to a doctor AT ALL. So PADI is only requiring medical signatures based on self reporting anyway. The form I have for her is NOT several pages long. The first page was a form I filled out with Y/N, and any Y meant I had to get medical approval. The page for her to sign is short, a single "I find this participant fit for SCUBA" (or not). It is followed by some information for the Dr. about risk factors and information to contact DAN, that is what is several pages.


Oh, and now it comes out that you have a spinal cord injury?! You bet I am going to ask you very direct and very pointed questions about what you can and cannot do in regards to physical activity without pain. Please, I don't have to be a neurologist or orthopedic surgeon to ask if you have back or neck pain with activity.

It isn't just now coming out. I've never hid this. Go down three threads in this forum, this was the VERY first question I asked. I am very concerned about whether SCUBA has additional risks for me, and contacted DAN and some local hyperbaric dive medicine specialists to consult. I don't want to do anything stupid. But my NP also knows, due to treating me for 6 years during which time I was a competitive ice skater and rower, that I have zero neck or back pain and no neurological impairment. Unless she knows something very specific about SCUBA what is me going in going to show? She is going to do a regular sports physical- and if that was all I needed, I wouldn't be required to go into a doctor at all!

And in my view- it has NOTHING to do with pain. I have NO pain, I have no limitations. What it has to do with is whether the spinal cord injury poses a risk to me in the water. If you don't specialize in dive medicine (or have some knowledge of it)- how can you tell me whether I am at risk? Is the hole in my spinal cord going to fill up with nitrogen bubbles that won't outgas and explode and paralyze me? That doesn't seem like something general practice covers- because you can't learn -everything- and it isn't really an issue a lot of the population faces. I do know that the scar tissue in my spine will make out-gasing slower, but the hyperbaric people just told me not to skip safety stops and I'd be fine.

I understand why she wants me to come in, but I'm still resentful of it- because the entire thing is a needless step. Except for the fact that it takes 6 months to a year to get in to see a specialist, it would make a lot more sense if I had to get sign off by someone who is specifically informed of either dive medicine, or spinal cord issues.
 

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