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Spearfisherman55, I'll answer your questions.

The way for you to dive safely in the 130+ range is the following:

1. Find a different buddy. Do not dive with your uncle. No discussion about this. No exceptions. Just do not do it anymore.

2. Try to make as many dives as possible in the 60-75 range before your AOW class this summer. Do not go deeper. Just keep working on perfecting your buoyancy and air consumption. Practice other skills, too, with your buddy.

3. Consider the possibility of a different instructor for your AOW class this summer.

4. After your AOW class, continue making as many dives as you can with your buddy (not your uncle) including in the 75-100 range. Do not go deeper. Continue practicing all your skills. Do so over and over again on all of your dives.

5. After you have 50-75 logged dives, consider taking a Rescue class.

6. After your Rescue class, continue diving no deeper than in the 100 range, and keep working on your skills. Hopefully, at this point, you will start realizing and learning all sorts of things about your diving that you previously did not even know that you didn't know.

7. After you are 18 and have 100-200 dives, look into further training for diving with other gas mixes, equipment options and deco obligations.

Since I'm a newer diver myself, I'm sure that the more experienced divers can correct me if I have anything wrong that I listed above, and they can perhaps flesh some of that out a bit, although I suspect some may be reluctant because it seems that you do not want to follow the advice they've already given to you.

Spearfisherman55, it seems to most of the divers who have posted in this thread that based on what you have said, so far, it is not a question of if you will die while diving, but rather, it's just a question of when . Nobody wants to see that happen to you, or for you to cause it to happen to someone else.

The bottom line is that diving deep may be done safely, but not by you at this point in time. You need more dives, more age and more training. So you can do it, but not now.

You mentioned several times that you will try to dive more shallow profiles. But that means nothing. Don't try to dive shallower. Just do it!

If you listen to what people have told you in this discussion thread and follow it, it will save your life. If you do not, you will probably die. Please be smart and follow the advice.

Michael
 
Guys
I'm afraid we are waisting our time here. He niether listens nor accepts our advice. He only accepts this advice he wants to hear - that he can dive that deep (what was told by the so-called instructor).
So - let's decide - we did as much as we all could to save his life. I do hope with the success but I'm afraid that he will do on his own and soon there will be a story in the Accidents Forum.
There is not much more we can do right now
Mania
 
mania:
Guys
I'm afraid we are waisting our time here. He niether listens nor accepts our advice. He only accepts this advice he wants to hear - that he can dive that deep (what was told by the so-called instructor).
So - let's decide - we did as much as we all could to save his life. I do hope with the success but I'm afraid that he will do on his own and soon there will be a story in the Accidents Forum.
There is not much more we can do right now
Mania
I am afraid I have to agree here. This kid is not looking to anyone here for any help in furthering his diving knowledge and skills, he already knows it all. He is just looking for someone to tell him the easiest way he can continue to do things that he should not be doing. No one is giving him the answers he wants to hear so he just keeps looking and asking until someone (anyone) tells him what he wants to hear.
My instructor said that nothing is wrong with me diving to 130'
You are either lying or you need a new instructor.
I do dive to 130' to 140'. I am no troll, but I was, looking for answers that would make these dives to 140' safer, not people telling me to dive under 60'.
You are NOT looking for answers to make your dives safer as you have gotten tons of correct info on making your dives safer but it was all info you do not want to hear so you chose to ignore it. You are going to die. You are not mature enough to be making these decisions (obviously). Your uncle is making all the wrong decisions and taking you along. You say your parents know how deep you dive but I highly doubt that they know what is being discussed here and the implications of what you are doing as they would end that diving if that were the case unless they just don't give a damn about you.
I talked to Chris at adventure Quest today, and he is fine with me diving to 130'.
So you finally got someone to tell you what you really WANTED to hear rather than the truth. So why bother asking anyone here anything else? I don't know who Chris is (and probably don't want to know based on what you are saying) but either Chris is way off base or you are not sharing all the correct info with him or with us. I cannot imagine any responsible diver gving anyone the OK to dive beyond their training and limits with a "buddy" who does not stay with them and who waits until he is almost out of air to start ascents, puts himself in deco situations again with no air, with no training, etc, etc the list goes on and on. Either you have been pulling our leg the entire time or you are even more frightening than I can imagine. You may survive your childhood but you are sure not giving yourself good odds at doing so.
Not much more we can do folks, if this is for real this kid is in for some big trouble. He just refuses to see what is in front of his face and all the efforts at helping him appear to be in vain.
 
What is your instructor's name and instructor number. IF he told you that I'm sure his agency would like to know about it.

Joe
 
Ok...after reading 16 pgs. or so...all i can say is Hmmmmm very interesting. I just think all have wasted time and words in giving this youth advise. He isn't going to take it i'm pretty sure and probably as we write all this and waste time..he's probably out there with the unsafe uncle diving to those depths. I can't believe my eyes on what i've read.
 
Sideband:
What is your instructor's name and instructor number. IF he told you that I'm sure his agency would like to know about it.
He said his name was Chris, and he works for Adventure Quest in Louisiana.

I'm guessing that's this shop:

Adventure Quest, Inc.
3230 South Interstate 10 Service Road
Metairie LA 70001
Phone: (504) 887-3483
Fax: (504) 837-5333
 
OK. I called the sho[p and it is the correct one. I told them about this thread and that they were specifically mentioned as well as an instructor named Chris. You will all be happy to know that I was told Chris is a very conservative instructor and would NEVER give such advice. They knew exactly who I was talking about when I explained what was going on and although I did not speak to Chris personally they said that he may call and that he would be VERY interested to find out what was being said.

btw, the nice lady I spoke with said the "uncle" is not rescue certified yet either.

Me thinks the boy is about to get his leash jerked.
Joe
 
Sideband:
OK. I called the sho[p and it is the correct one. I told them about this thread and that they were specifically mentioned as well as an instructor named Chris. You will all be happy to know that I was told Chris is a very conservative instructor and would NEVER give such advice. They knew exactly who I was talking about when I explained what was going on and although I did not speak to Chris personally they said that he may call and that he would be VERY interested to find out what was being said.

btw, the nice lady I spoke with said the "uncle" is not rescue certified yet either.

Me thinks the boy is about to get his leash jerked.
Joe
Good for you! Job well done. Now things begin to make a little more sense, no way was he being told what he says he was being told. Let's hope that this may knock a bit of sense into this kids head but it still may not happen. At least you did the best you can.
 
not so sure, this probably means that the instructor won't teach the kid..which given his stubborness up until now may mean he does it without instruction..which is worse..
 

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