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To follow-up:

Yes, the reason the rip-out-of-the-ice plan isn't too harmful, is that the depth isn't great. The dives tend to be very shallow, among other reasons because you can't get that far in 5, 6 minutes as a team of recreational divers tied together on a rope.

Ice diving protocols are a way to put divers in an overhead environment without the training or redundancy. That being said, people do get injured. I think there was a report a year or two ago about a bunch of Navy folks being disciplined after some sailors on a for-fun ice dive died b/c the line tenders were drunk.

The entertainment seems to be the social aspect. But the visibility is great until the other divers muck it up. You get to play with fish that are moving like cold-blooded animals in freezing water -- you can bring them to the surface and play around with them, etc. then put them back in and they're fine. And the ice is very beautiful when you look up.

When I did it, there were a couple of people in 7" wetsuits. I was freezing cold in my drysuit after standing in the weather all day.

This is something that's come up a lot recently in my local dive club. I really wouldn't recommend recreational ice diving except for the social aspect, but I think it would be great if it was done right, as rjack and nadwidny seem to be confirming.
 
To follow-up:

Yes, the reason the rip-out-of-the-ice plan isn't too harmful, is that the depth isn't great. The dives tend to be very shallow, among other reasons because you can't get that far in 5, 6 minutes as a team of recreational divers tied together on a rope.

I guess I was thinking more of other dangers than ascent injuries. Such as getting tangled in a rope with someone pulling on it, chance of reg getting ripped out of mouth, freeflow, bouncing off of buddies you're tethered to, etc.

It's been a very informative discussion, thanks for the viewpoints!
 
Ice diving protocols are a way to put divers in an overhead environment without the training or redundancy. That being said, people do get injured. I think there was a report a year or two ago about a bunch of Navy folks being disciplined after some sailors on a for-fun ice dive died b/c the line tenders were drunk.

Good memory, that was 3+ years ago now. 1 beer each IIRC so not really drunk. But nobody participating in or overseeing that dive was suitably trained and experienced to conduct it reasonably.
Accident report

Without re-reading all 33 pages, notable issues that I recall include:
FFMs yet no power inflators
No bottom
Rediculously overweighted
Line tenders untrained
Line tenders distracted
Divers inexperienced
Dive leader a novice
Lack of easier conditions to gain experience
Poor gear & maintenance
Commandant not trained or experienced enough to detect issues with subordinate's plans/intentions

I might have gotten a few of these wrong and there were probably other issues as well. The Healy's home port is Seattle, so this was big news here.
 
Without re-reading all 33 pages, notable issues that I recall include:
FFMs yet no power inflators
No bottom
Rediculously overweighted
Line tenders untrained
Line tenders distracted
Divers inexperienced
Dive leader a novice
Lack of easier conditions to gain experience
Poor gear & maintenance
Commandant not trained or experienced enough to detect issues with subordinate's plans/intentions

I might have gotten a few of these wrong and there were probably other issues as well. ...

Split fins.
 
Split fins.

One guy took a cave class from me and showed up with split fins. I told him on gear configuration day that they were not going to be good for high flow cave diving. He disagreed. Two dives later he went to EE and bought some real fins.

My thought was to let him use them & let his see for himself that they suck.
 
One guy took a cave class from me and showed up with split fins. I told him on gear configuration day that they were not going to be good for high flow cave diving. He disagreed. Two dives later he went to EE and bought some real fins.

My thought was to let him use them & let his see for himself that they suck.

Was he wearing doubles? Because I think I can dig up a picture for a little ribbing:rofl3:

This pic might even show hp130's in a wetsuit, 2 reels, and a whole other assortment of decorations....:rofl3::rofl3::rofl3:
 
One guy took a cave class from me and showed up with split fins. I told him on gear configuration day that they were not going to be good for high flow cave diving. He disagreed. Two dives later he went to EE and bought some real fins.

My thought was to let him use them & let his see for himself that they suck.

I've been know to offer folks a little assistance in "reconfiguring" their gear... usually between dives or maybe while they're sleeping. Like the time I "fixed" the split-fins of one of the guys crewing on the Truk Odyssey...

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He seemed appreciative...

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:eyebrow:
 
One guy took a cave class from me and showed up with split fins. I told him on gear configuration day that they were not going to be good for high flow cave diving. He disagreed. Two dives later he went to EE and bought some real fins.

My thought was to let him use them & let his see for himself that they suck.

That works.

I saw Bil Phillips in Mexico meet a new student at the site. After the handshakes, etc, the first thing was to go through the guy's gear. Bil saw the split fins, packed everything away and they left, presumably to go get the guy some real fins. Total time on site about 5 minutes. They never even hit the water.
 

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