Lets look at things from a different angle.

[pilot fish]

[[[[[[I was reading a thread (not here) about an OOA situation. Nothing was mentioned other than get air from your buddy or another passing diver. Well, what if your buddy is out of air as well and you’re not diving off a cattle boat?]]]]]]]GaryD

Just to remind you what he asked.

 

[Diver0001]

Excellent list. :thumbs_up

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Well, I don't get the credit for this. Any course in risk management or project management will teach you some kind of list like that.

Usually you see "avoid, control/mitigate, transfer/share, & accept" but I like to make the distinction between measures you can take to delay the event or soften the effects and measures you take you take to deal with the emergency once containment has failed. That's why I break "control" into "contain and contingency" to prioritize mitigation. It's something I started doing when we had to choose between a lot of possible measures during the millennium project and I still find it useful.

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R..

 

[El Orans]

Hey PF,

who died and appointed you mod?

 

[pilot fish]

Good attitude, but what happens if they are not there? Will you be able to handle an emergency on your own?

Gary D.

Yes, Gary, attitude is great, but it will not give you air. I, too, would like to know what you do when both are OOA and at depth? To me, it's the surface. Sadly, I see no other alternative.

 

[El Orans]

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R..

My first reaction was that you were thinking about work when posting that message...

Back to our regular scheduled thread.

 

[finder]

i dark water dive, my old dive buddy and i use to communicate underwater by banging on tank. believe it or not if you practice this you will be able to locate your buddy . we have done it many times just to find one anouther when we've located something nice to bring back or for the other to see.

 

[Diver0001]

That's very nice. It looks good in print and has the effect of making the reader feel MOMENTARILY at ease, till the fecal matter hits the spinning blades. ahhhhhhhhhhh, avoid, everything else will be fine. OK, Rotrunner, btw, it was not directed at you or anyone else but the person that started the thread, for whatever reason, #1 was not possible and you are at 120 ft with you and your buddy ooa. Now what? You are entangled, broken hose, whatever. What are your options? The surface, that's IT! No trainning, cert, or mindset can alter the fact you need air, you and your buddy are out of it, and the surface is your only option.

It'll save a lot of key strokes if you just address that scenario.

Just for you I'll keep it short:

you die

Any questions?

R..

 

[Diver0001]

P.S. We can think of a long list of kobayashi maru scenarios but the realistic way of preparing for them is always going to be to address your risk management ladder systematically.

That's not to say that we never prepare for the worst but we do that *only* after we're fully prepared to avoid or contain it. If a person isn't fully confident/competent to check gauges and plan gas then they first train this in shallow water before diving deeper.... A diver who finds themselves at 120ft and out of air is badly overreaching.

Just a thought. I don't want this to sound hostile or rude, but I do hope it stimulates you to reflect on a different way of looking at such things.

R..

 

[pilot fish]

Just for you I'll keep it short:

you die

Any questions?

R..

Exactly. You either drown or rocket to the surface and hope you are able to survive for a chamber session, or two, or 6.

 

[pilot fish]

P.S. We can think of a long list of kobayashi maru scenarios but the realistic way of preparing for them is always going to be to address your risk management ladder systematically.

That's not to say that we never prepare for the worst but we do that *only* after we're fully prepared to avoid or contain it. If a person isn't fully confident/competent to check gauges and plan gas then they first train this in shallow water before diving deeper.... A diver who finds themselves at 120ft and out of air is badly overreaching.

Just a thought. I don't want this to sound hostile or rude, but I do hope it stimulates you to reflect on a different way of looking at such things.

R..

Yes, yes, avoid and everything else will be fine. Train, learn and practice, but the OP's scenario was if both are OOA and cannot help each other. In that case it's a bit different and your options few.