Kerry's Support for LNG......

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I participated in the preparation of an Env Impact Statement for a proposed LNG terminal in Texas several years ago. The principal problems, as stated in the EIS, with the project were:

1. Thermal impacts from the use of seawater to regasify the LNG that would have negatively affected oyster and bay shrimp nurseries.

2. Siltation impacts to marine species from continual dredging operations (30-year project life) of the bay to accomodate deep-draft tankers.

3. Dredge spoil disposal impacts to terrestrial habitat.

4. Unreliable source of the natural gas (Algeria).
 
DivnSapper:
Maybe I am missing the point here... I am not seeing what the issue is... a LNG receiving terminal has been proposed to import the cleanest fossil fuel available. Regasification of LNG to natural gas does not create the types of pollution common with power plants... actually the reverse. Other than some big ships and some port development... what is the concern? Even if a LNG ship was to "spill" ala Exxon Valdez... the gas would vaporize and leave 'zero' hydrocarbons behind! Just starting a discussion here on the real issue... I assume related to environmental concerns!


They are building it on a island (one of the most remote ones) in a National Park. There will be a direct impact on the animals that reside there (espically bird species) and no one will be able to go near the island. While this a popular spot for recreational fishing and diving, it's a crucial spot for comercial fisherman.
It's pretty much about a company looking to make a quick buck by taking away one of the wildest pieces of land we have left in MA. It's also a bummer if you live in the blast area in Hull, but Hull has a pretty average low income, so too bad.

This hand out sums up the opposition to the LNG:

www.fbhi.org/qandahandout.pdf
 
MASS-Diver:
It's also a bummer if you live in the blast area in Hull, but Hull has a pretty average low income, so too bad.
Yeah, Hull's kind've the "Asbury Park" of the south shore ... or at least, it used to be. Haven't been there in a long time, but I've got fond memories of gathering quahogs on the beach after a nor'easter passed through.

Whatever happened to all those large summer homes on the beach? I used to rent one of those 30-something years ago when I was in college.

Used to be a nice biker bar down near the amusement park where you could buy 25-cent beers ... walked home from that place a few nights ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
NWGratefulDiver:
Whatever happened to all those large summer homes on the beach? I used to rent one of those 30-something years ago when I was in college.
The ones on the "letter" streets have lower pricing due to being in a "bad" neighborhood, but once you get to the hills, there are some REALLY nice and therefore costly places.
NWGratefulDiver:
Used to be a nice biker bar down near the amusement park where you could buy 25-cent beers ... walked home from that place a few nights ...
The Dry Dock's still there, but the beer isn't anywhere near $.25 any more. Unfortunately, the Amusement Park was sold, parted out, and replaced with some ugly brick condos. There goes the neighborhood.
 
wreckedinri:
So many key strokes and so little talk about diving:huh:
It might not seem to be about diving to you, but that's one of my favorite sites they're talking about making off-limits for (IMHO) no justifiable reason. Would it suddenly seem more dive related if the proposed security zone was to be over your favorite wreck?

I'll be at the Save The Brewsters table at the Bayside Expo Center Boat Show on Monday afternoon if anyone wants to stop by for more info.
 
MSilvia:
The ones on the "letter" streets have lower pricing due to being in a "bad" neighborhood, but once you get to the hills, there are some REALLY nice and therefore costly places.
LOL - I probably contributed to the "bad neighborhood" image. Can't recall (long time ago, and I need more memory space) ... but I THINK I lived on C street (right on the beach). Shared a big house with six other guys, three live-in girlfriends, two large dogs, and an assortment of vagrants.

I do (vaguely) recall some killer keg parties ... :D

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
MSilvia:
It might not seem to be about diving to you, but that's one of my favorite sites they're talking about making off-limits for (IMHO) no justifiable reason. Would it suddenly seem more dive related if the proposed security zone was to be over your favorite wreck?

I'll be at the Save The Brewsters table at the Bayside Expo Center Boat Show on Monday afternoon if anyone wants to stop by for more info.

Well now, it looks like we're finally starting to see what the real motivating factors behind the opposition here are. Coincidentally it just happens to fall right in line with what I said about individuals putting their recreational wants over the needs of millions of other people.

Oh and while we're at it, would someone like to explain (in a logical and coherent manner) what's bad about an exclusionary zone, for the wildlife that is. Sounds to me like it'll take pressure off of the lobster and fish stocks by giving them a safe haven.
 
MSilvia:
It might not seem to be about diving to you, but that's one of my favorite sites they're talking about making off-limits for (IMHO) no justifiable reason. Would it suddenly seem more dive related if the proposed security zone was to be over your favorite wreck?

I'll be at the Save The Brewsters table at the Bayside Expo Center Boat Show on Monday afternoon if anyone wants to stop by for more info.

Lots of other wrecks . . . and "favorite dive sites". Less and less options for staying warm.

Besides, IMHO, this is not the place for one's politics. That's all I was attempting to say.

Regards,
Dennis
 
wreckedinri:
Lots of other wrecks . . . and "favorite dive sites". Less and less options for staying warm.
True... there are other favorite sites, and if this really were about a new (or better) way to keep people warm, making us more secure, or even combatting a shortage, there might be some merit to the idea. So far as I can tell though, it's about none of these things. Recent energy shortages were due more to poor planning than to any kind of actual supply shortcomings, and this is about AES not wanting to be the last LNG company on the block to get approved for having a new transfer facility. They want to be able to compete with Distrigas's facility in Everett in order to gain market share in the area, and as I understand it there are several other of their competitors who recently got approval to use offshore facilities in the Gulf of Mexico. The new facility would have no impact on the operations of the existing facility, so it would not make Boston residents safer in the case of an LNG explosion, it would just add a second facility in the area.

This isn't just an unused rock out in safe water, it's national park land. It's the only of the islands in the Boston Harbor Island national park that's home to several bird species, and the majority of the intertidal rock substrate habitat in the harbor is on and around the island. Of course that habitat would have to be blasted out to put in a pier long enough for 900+' tankers to dock, and the bottom would very likely have to be dredged again (after a couple billion in recent taxpayer spending to clean the harbor) to lay new pipeline and so that there's adequate draft to get these tankers in and out.

The exclusion zone itself wouldn't be bad for the marine life, but the operation of the facility and it's construction would disrupt habitat for seals, rare birds, and a variety of marine life.

The recreational impact is just a motivating afterthought, but in the interest of security, the proposal calls for twice-weekly delivery of LNG on an unannounced basis. These arrivals would restrict all boat traffic in the approach and departure corridor, as well as while offloading, and is estimated to take 24 to 48 hours each time... which effectively keeps the southern approach to Boston Harbor closed for a more-or-less random 50% of the time.

Again, this isn't tied to any kind of guaranteed cost reduction for residents, it doesn't help to meet any real demand in the area, and it isn't a part of any kind of cohesive national energy plan. It's one company trying to pad it's pockets, and they want our permission to do so at the expense of well-loved historical national park lands and important habitat.

Sounds like a real winner, huh?
Dragon2115:
Well now, it looks like we're finally starting to see what the real motivating factors behind the opposition here are. Coincidentally it just happens to fall right in line with what I said about individuals putting their recreational wants over the needs of millions of other people.
It also falls right in line with what I said about you being astute. What you quoted is my reason I think the discussion is dive related, not the be-all and end-all of why I don't think the proposal is sound. That I want to use the island for recreation (the use for which the federal recreation area is designated) neither means that that's my only argument, that my reasons aren't well thought out, that I'm a 'NIMBY', or that recreation isn't a valid use. Call me crazy, but I think national park land is more important than energy company profiteering. If you can provide some evidence that having a facility there would provide some real benefit to local residents vis-a-vis the cost of staying warm in the winter, I'd be happy to hear it.

So long as it seems to be primarily driven by profit motive and not public good, I'll no more support this than I would the cordoning off of 1000 acres of Yellowstone for oil drilling or the leveling of Monticello for the building of a McDonalds.
 
Matt, I have been resisting getting drawn into this thread, but I wanted to let you know that is the best argument against this plan that I have heard yet. Though I am sure another nonsensical reply will follow. I can't see a crack in your logic. I hope I can quote some of your stuff at the Save the Brewsters booth this week. Capt. Pat
 

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