just discovering the problem with suunto transmitters

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Transmitter batteries...
They last as long as they last. They're turned on all the time they are pressurised; this can mean many hours or even overnight/weekend/week/month.
Yep. Totally understood. Still, 100 dives sounds short compared to the PPS transmitter. Oceanic indicates expectation of 300 hours. Even if that's high, and we knock 1/3 off, the PPS sounds like it's got at least twice the battery life.
Carry spares with you as they can fail without notice -- especially if using the SAFT batteries.
Absolutely. My save a dive kit includes 3 transmitter batteries (one for each transmitter), a spare battery for each computer, and lots of orings and grease. I use the rechargeable lithiums in my Perdix, as I can clearly see the battery status when powered up, gives more indication than just the 3 level indicator with some of the battery types.
The Aqualung / Shearwater solution is far more elegant. This means the batteries can be changed in-situ, whilst the transmitter's connected to the first stage if necessary.
Exactly. The tool that came with my Perdix for battery changes fits the PPS transmitter perfectly, and the battery can be changed quite quickly and easily.

Years ago, I was on a motorcycle list. For fun, new members were asked to answer a few questions. One was on mechanical ability. It was a 1-10 scale. 10 was something like being able to rebuild an engine using a screwdriver. 1 was "injures self with screwdriver." The transmitter battery swap should be easily handled by someone with a 2 or higher. The 1 might be able to do it as well, but there might be a risk of injury. :wink:
 
Years ago, I was on a motorcycle list. For fun, new members were asked to answer a few questions. One was on mechanical ability. It was a 1-10 scale. 10 was something like being able to rebuild an engine using a screwdriver. 1 was "injures self with screwdriver." The transmitter battery swap should be easily handled by someone with a 2 or higher. The 1 might be able to do it as well, but there might be a risk of injury. :wink:
Biggest risk is dropping the cover and it falling off the boat.

As you say, should have a 🪛🪛 rating with a no 🔨 warning
 
Opinion...
Seems a ridiculous engineering solution from Suunto to have the four screws holding the battery in. Are those screws metal to metal or are they directly into the plastic? Looks as if you've got to unbolt the Suunto transmitter from the first stage before you can get access to the screws.

The Aqualung / Shearwater solution is far more elegant. This means the batteries can be changed in-situ, whilst the transmitter's connected to the first stage if necessary.
Absolutely correct. Yes, you do have to remove the transmitter from the 1st stage in order to get to the screws in the base. And the metal screws do go directly into the plastic cover. That's why I said in an earlier post that you have to be very careful taking the screws out and then especially so in replacing them. If you overtighten them and strip out the threads in the cover, you are screwed (pun intended.)

That's the main reason I switched to a computer that uses the Pelagic transmitter. Leave it attached to the 1st stage, unscrew the top battery cover, remove and replace the battery, replace the cap after greasing or replacing the o-ring. Much simpler operation. As I said previously, I now use an Oceanic OCi which alerts me when the computer battery is getting low. And although it doesn't actively monitor the battery in the transmitter, I can go into the menu and run a check on both it and the DC batteries.
 
Point is it's more than it needs to be. Does that include sending it out? What's the turnaround time?

We agree. Suunto seems to be the only company that requires this. The rest include instructions in their manuals.

3 freaking days or express in 2 whole hours...! Can you imagine the problem that that creates???

I mean, what does Suunto think we are, NASA engineers with a degree in Astrophysics so that we can schedule an appointment every 2 years on time? Do they think that our smartphones can create an appointment in our calendars just by talking to them? Also, do we need to check our batteries now and then???

Hell no. Totally unacceptable IMO.
 
3 freaking days or express in 2 whole hours...! Can you imagine the problem that that creates???
2 hours from when you send it out until you receive it back? That's pretty good, but I expect timelines may vary depending on location. 2 minutes is better.
I own my own gear mainly so that I am ready to dive whenever.
I mean, what does Suunto think we are, NASA engineers with a degree in Astrophysics so that we can schedule an appointment every 2 years on time? Do they think that our smartphones can create an appointment in our calendars just by talking to them? Also, do we need to check our batteries now and then???
No, I thought I explained that. They think you have a mechanical inclination level of 1. So they don't want you to hurt yourselves with the screwdriver that you will need to change the battery in your transmitters.
 
Unbelievable... a full meal... imagine that...

I agree with you Charlie, 9 pages is an embarrassment, especially when people is exchanging opinions...
Interesting statement given that you clearly have an issue with people expressing opinions different from yours… lol
 
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Various states have laws drafted (only one has passed so far) explicity requring manufacturers to provide service manuals and parts to other companies and end users. Manufacturers are already not allowed to void a warranty due to self (or competitor) service (Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia or https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-88/pdf/STATUTE-88-Pg2183.pdf ) and recently the FTC has been actively going after companies which violate this law. Last week they went after Weber (grills) for this practice.

According to recent public statements from the FTC, they'd love to hear from consumers like @shirtz who have been victims of this illegal practice. Here's a video they made with instructions to help victims file a complaint: File A Complaint

Always remember, a warranty may only protect the consumer. It's never allowed to serve as protection for the company. I don't think warranties are required, but they can't come with strings attached.

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42 FR 36114[/URL], July 13, 1977]

§ 700.10 Prohibited tying.


(a) Section 102(c), 15 U.S.C. 2302(c), prohibits tying arrangements that condition coverage under a written warranty on the consumer's use of an article or service identified by brand, trade, or corporate name unless that article or service is provided without charge to the consumer.

(b) Under a limited warranty that provides only for replacement of defective parts and no portion of labor charges, section 102(c), 15 U.S.C. 2302(c), prohibits a condition that the consumer use only service (labor) identified by the warrantor to install the replacement parts. A warrantor or his designated representative may not provide parts under the warranty in a manner which impedes or precludes the choice by the consumer of the person or business to perform necessary labor to install such parts.

(c) No warrantor may condition the continued validity of a warranty on the use of only authorized repair service and/or authorized replacement parts for non-warranty service and maintenance (other than an article of service provided without charge under the warranty or unless the warrantor has obtained a waiver pursuant to section 102(c) of the Act, 15 U.S.C. 2302(c)). For example, provisions such as, “This warranty is void if service is performed by anyone other than an authorized `ABC' dealer and all replacement parts must be genuine `ABC' parts,” and the like, are prohibited where the service or parts are not covered by the warranty. These provisions violate the Act in two ways. First, they violate the section 102(c), 15 U.S.C. 2302(c), ban against tying arrangements. Second, such provisions are deceptive under section 110 of the Act, 15 U.S.C. 2310, because a warrantor cannot, as a matter of law, avoid liability under a written warranty where a defect is unrelated to the use by a consumer of “unauthorized” articles or service. In addition, warranty language that implies to a consumer acting reasonably in the circumstances that warranty coverage requires the consumer's purchase of an article or service identified by brand, trade or corporate name is similarly deceptive. For example, a provision in the warranty such as, “use only an authorized `ABC' dealer” or “use only `ABC' replacement parts,” is prohibited where the service or parts are not provided free of charge pursuant to the warranty. This does not preclude a warrantor from expressly excluding liability for defects or damage caused by “unauthorized” articles or service; nor does it preclude the warrantor from denying liability where the warrantor can demonstrate that the defect or damage was so caused.

I'm not a lawyer or anything like that, it's just an issue near and dear to my heart.
 
3 freaking days or express in 2 whole hours...! Can you imagine the problem that that creates???

I mean, what does Suunto think we are, NASA engineers with a degree in Astrophysics so that we can schedule an appointment every 2 years on time? Do they think that our smartphones can create an appointment in our calendars just by talking to them? Also, do we need to check our batteries now and then???

Hell no. Totally unacceptable IMO.
Change of battery on Suunto DC does not require anything other than a proper sized screw driver, new battery and a O-ring. The whole process does not take more than 5 mins and cost peanut.
Any experienced divers would carry spare battery for the trip or even change it before.
"Warranty"? I never renew it on anything that I had bought. And I certainly would not pay excess to have certain trivial work done eg. change of battery on DC just because I want to keep the warranty.

Suunto? I left them in the shop.
 
2 hours from when you send it out until you receive it back? That's pretty good, but I expect timelines may vary depending on location. 2 minutes is better.
I own my own gear mainly so that I am ready to dive whenever.

No, I thought I explained that. They think you have a mechanical inclination level of 1. So they don't want you to hurt yourselves with the screwdriver that you will need to change the battery in your transmitters.

First of all, I have to say that I am impressed with your mathematic calculations. I would need a calculator to get to the same conclusion. 2 hours if you take it in. In my case, it is a 13 min drive to the nearest authorized dealer so, let's say 30-45 min tops give or take. I know, I know: Those 40 min every 2 years could be a massive waste of time if I manage to live long enough to celebrate my 118 Birthday...

Also, that speed, precision and mechanical inclination of yours is WAY above the average bloke, legendary lv. I would say SO please don't compare yourself with the rest of us, incompetent apes.

AND, I checked the web only to find that the 2 hours express service is NOT exclusive in Germany, some UK dealers do it as well, go figure... IF only we could pick-up our smartphones and make an appointment in advance... of course, that would be like asking you to eat lava so crazy task I guess...


ps. What is a screwdriver?
 

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