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Any discussion which ties brand philosophy to activity philosophy can easily appear as a sales pitch. This is inherent in many industries not just scuba. Rather than getting thrown into these almost religious arguments, learn to do research and take time to practice find your own way. I being a relative newbie in Diving, have been involved in these situations in the computer field, (yeah the mainframe is dead, windows blue screen of death and linux will kill you crowd). If you are interested in the argument, then you should be interested in finding your own way to separate the chaff from the grain.
 
Extremists of all persuasions tend to be at least partly wrong, and usually partly right.
 
I enjoyed reading this - for various reasons - but I will start off by saying that I know a number of divers who started off on the DIR route and have long since abandoned it as mostly, male cow poop.

My beef with the DIR posse has always been that those who believe they are Doing It Right treat their philosophy as if it were gospel and therefore all other diving that is not DIR must logically be Doing It Wrong. The analogy between DIR diving and religion is apt - we have the right faith, and everybody else is to be condemned as unrighteous and unworthy, and we must convert them to our way of thinking.

There are some types of diving where certain techniques, equipment configurations and gas mixtures are not only correct, but essential - and that's great. Diving though deep caves where the margin for error is so much slimmer than floating about with the fish in warm tropical water requires a great deal more control and just like a cave diver would be horrified if an AOW certified diver on a single air tank tried to do what they do - I also have to admit to a loud underwater guffaw when I see DIR-style divers attempting a basic tropical recreational dive all fully geared out in what is next-to-useless equipment.

Like any activity, the only way you can Do It Right is to take the best advice from as many different sources as you can, learn from your experiences, and figure out what is Right For You. Proselytising egomaniacs serve only themselves.

pfft pfft my two bar

C.
 
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I also have to admit to a loud underwater guffaw when I see DIR-style divers attempting a basic tropical recreational dive all fully geared out in what is next-to-useless equipment.

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Proselytising egomaniacs serve only themselves.

pfft pfft my two bar

C.

Oh the irony.

(not a DIR diver by the way, dive how you want)
 
I won't agree that I feel what they do is the ONLY WAY TO DO THINGS as they perceive themselves, but I will agree that they have done some good R&D and have some great methods to keep yourself out of trouble.

I also don't agree with the EXTREMIST way some of them operate. I met a guy on a trip a few years back ( he was the boat captain for the dive op I was using) and he said he liked my configuration, and the way I conducted myself while setting up, and getting prepared for my dives. He said he WAS an extreme DIR junkie, but since went a little "rogue" because a few things didn't really suit the way HE did HIS diving. He agreed that there WAS a lot of great ideas, and when it came to logic, some of the ways WERE pretty good, but he just decided that it was a little TOO over the top, and had encountered one too many people that had some better ways.

I don't totally agree or disagree with the methods, but it's good stuff to keep in the back of your mind when you are configuring your gear. I MIGHT be about 75-80% DIR compliant :dontknow:
 
I enjoyed reading this - for various reasons - but I will start off by saying that I know a number of divers who started off on the DIR route and have long since abandoned it as mostly, male cow poop.
I can honestly say I don't know anybody who's gone that far ... and I do know a lot of people who have been trained as DIR divers.

Far more common are those who receive the training, and as they develop and try new things, they retain some of what they learned and implement other things into their regimen. I'm one of those ... as are a great many people I dive with.

What DIR is not ... it is not an equipment configuration ... and it is not about specific brands and colors.

It is, for the most part, about a mental approach to diving that happens to use specific "tools" to meet the objectives of the diver. Those tools may or may not meet the objectives of other divers ... depending on goals, preferences, and diving environment.

My beef with the DIR posse has always been that those who believe they are Doing It Right treat their philosophy as if it were gospel and therefore all other diving that is not DIR must logically be Doing It Wrong. The analogy between DIR diving and religion is apt - we have the right faith, and everybody else is to be condemned as unrighteous and unworthy, and we must convert them to our way of thinking.
It's been many years since I've run into someone in real life with that mentality ... for the most part, that's just Internet talk.

And even back when I did occasionally meet someone like that, it always turned out to be someone who was just newly Fundified, and were so excited about this "new" way of diving that they tended to act like little puppies ... peeing all over the floor in their excitement. But they eventually grew up and that initial excitement waned as their experiences came into contact with the real world.

There are some types of diving where certain techniques, equipment configurations and gas mixtures are not only correct, but essential - and that's great. Diving though deep caves where the margin for error is so much slimmer than floating about with the fish in warm tropical water requires a great deal more control and just like a cave diver would be horrified if an AOW certified diver on a single air tank tried to do what they do - I also have to admit to a loud underwater guffaw when I see DIR-style divers attempting a basic tropical recreational dive all fully geared out in what is next-to-useless equipment.
But see ... that's showing exactly the same intolerance you claim to dislike above. I happen to enjoy diving in warm tropical water as much as I do in a cave, or on a deep wall or wreck in the Pacific Northwest. The same rig works well for me in each situation. Granted, I won't be wearing a drysuit or heavy steel cylinders in Bonaire ... but the backplate and long hose work quite OK in that environment ... I see no reason to switch to some other configuration just because others find it more acceptable.

Like any activity, the only way you can Do It Right is to take the best advice from as many different sources as you can, learn from your experiences, and figure out what is Right For You. Proselytising egomaniacs serve only themselves.

pfft pfft my two bar

C.
Making up colorful names for those who don't dive like you serves no one ... so why do it?

Frankly, there are plenty of egomaniacs in the anti-DIR crowd. I find it a huge turnoff, regardless of how they dive. My OW instructor advised me to "leave my ego on the beach" ... and over the years I've found that to be some of the most useful advice I've ever received about diving ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
For Bob and Elvis -

Guys I'm sorry but I think you misinterpreted my post, completely missed the point, and got a little on the defensive there - sorry if I offended - but I am not a proselytising egomaniac (er, that's not an invented fancy name, by the way), and I don't believe that *my* way of diving is necessarily better than anybody else's. If somebody chooses to use a particular equipment configuration, that's fine, go for it, I have no problem with that whatsoever, as long as it really works for that person.

So now I'm going on the defensive - :D - when I say I laugh at DIR trained divers on shallow recreational dives - I mean; I've seen guys on twinsets with stage bottles and a pony and all the lights and bells and whistles and whatnot to do what most people do on a bog-standard recreational configuration - and they tell me that I am wrong for not doing it this way - seriously.

I am not denigrating the training that is offered - and especially by the GUE folks - it's awesome, but we live in different worlds and for somebody to tell me that the way I dive is wrong because I don't have xyz brand of equipment or don't use some particular finning technique is just a bit silly. And - sorry, but I get this a lot. Of my friends and colleagues I can count 7 DIR divers who have rejected the general philosophy, but are also huge fans of the GUE training.

I just like diving - there are lots of wrong ways to go about it, but there is no singular right way to do it either. What I have a problem with is people telling me that one thing or another is the only "right" way to do it.

But then I'm only a PADI instructor - what would I know!? :D

Peace guys, it's all about the water

C.
 
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I enjoyed reading this - for various reasons - but I will start off by saying that I know a number of divers who started off on the DIR route and have long since abandoned it as mostly, male cow poop.

My beef with the DIR posse has always been that those who believe they are Doing It Right treat their philosophy as if it were gospel and therefore all other diving that is not DIR must logically be Doing It Wrong. The analogy between DIR diving and religion is apt - we have the right faith, and everybody else is to be condemned as unrighteous and unworthy, and we must convert them to our way of thinking.

There are some types of diving where certain techniques, equipment configurations and gas mixtures are not only correct, but essential - and that's great. Diving though deep caves where the margin for error is so much slimmer than floating about with the fish in warm tropical water requires a great deal more control and just like a cave diver would be horrified if an AOW certified diver on a single air tank tried to do what they do - I also have to admit to a loud underwater guffaw when I see DIR-style divers attempting a basic tropical recreational dive all fully geared out in what is next-to-useless equipment.

Like any activity, the only way you can Do It Right is to take the best advice from as many different sources as you can, learn from your experiences, and figure out what is Right For You. Proselytising egomaniacs serve only themselves.

pfft pfft my two bar

C.

Where I live the DIR crowd are very ..... er ..... "strict" in their interpretation of what's right and wrong and very "narrow" in their interpretation of proper diving practices.

I know DIR is supposed to be a "learning" philosophy that is constantly in search of best practices but the fact of the matter is.. it has become badly distanced from that goal by people who misunderstand the foundations!

In my local area, DIR is about "conformance"... about narrowing of perspective... about "intolerance", "arrogance" and "ego"..... and least of all about sharing best practices.

It also means that the "best" divers among the local crowd want little or nothing to do with the DIR scene and even have some aversion to it. I guess that's similar to how Mark E. experiences the DIR scene in his local area.

R..
 

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