If a diver training agency has a Quality Assurance system that system should, if nothing else, ensure students are getting certifications having meet the requirements. Adding components before awarding a certification is, in my opinion wrong.
This is my reasoning:
Diver A gains a qualification from agency X - their instructor included additional components before awarding the certification.
Diver B holds the same qualification from the same agency - their instructor taught the syllabus as is.
These individuals meet up on a trip. They will both assume the other has the same level of knowledge/skill. This could lead to an incident as either one could be pushed beyond their competence level. One attempting something they have no training/experience of, the other by relying on their buddy to be able to do something not included in the syllabus.
BSAC make it clear to all instructors, via the Instructor Manual and the Branch Officers' Handbook, that additional 'local' knowledge/skills can be taught AFTER the award of a diver certification, NOT as part of one (the use of a Delayed Surface Marker Buoy because most diving is on wrecks in tidal waters). That when two Ocean Divers or Sports Divers meet up on a dive trip they know the minimum capability of the other.
Yes, BSAC's entry level course is the Ocean Diver Qualification and requires the student to be able to swim 200M and after certification, restrictions apply:
- The maximum depth is 20M
- Must dive with another BSAC Ocean Diver or with a BSAC Sports Diver, within the restrictions of the conditions already encountered during training
- Must be with a Dive Leader or higher grade, to expand experience beyond the conditions encountered during training, under the supervision of a Dive Manager
- No mandatory decompression stops
- and under the on-site supervision of a Dive Manager with respect to site selection, conditions and dive plan
This is supervised diving and does not compare with diver training that's intended for unsupervised conditions. Personally, I like many of the aspects integrated into the BSAC system.
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You taught outside the scope of the course is why "wrist was slapped"..sort of like teaching someone to drive a car for a NY state license, but asking them to have skills for a NASCAR race..They signed up for a ow class,teach them a ow class. You can refer rescue skills during class acad/confined water presentations that once they are certified they will be taught in a rescue course. There are some very basic rescue / self rescue skills in the ow class such as tired diver tow/cramp release/alt air use/CESA..etc.
PADI told me that I could integrate the OW and Rescue Diver training programs. It was not what I did, it was it was only 'wrong' if I didn't certify them as Rescue Divers. It's all about the money...
Yes things happen..but very unusual for recreational divers on a simple follow the dm reef dive, that most get involved in. Perhaps they never return for continue ed courses is they think they know all there is to know form their basic ow course and feel not worth the time or money, or they simply drop out of diving and go on th their next interest.
Or perhaps they continue to dive for many years without the benefit of what some believe to be "the basics."
You would NOT pass the watermanship requirement of the ow course..as it also includes ability to tread water,unassisted by swim aids,for 10 minutes..That alone shows if someone can swim or not.
PADI had a requirement to tread water or float for 10 minutes. Has this been changed?
There are bad instructors in every agency..As to the requirements of a ow certified PADI diver , the present standards fit the needs of most people that want to dive in a safe manner for the type of diving (warm water island visibility) that they wish to do. For those diving in areas of poor visibility/cold, it can fit their needs as well.They are certified to dive in areas and conditions similar to where they did their training dives.Obviously if someone did training dives in LI Sound in cold dark water in a 7mm wet suit/hood/gloves they can easily adapt to 3mm 80 degree 100ft vis in the islands. I have seen just as many bad NAUI/SSI/BSAC divers , so to say all bad divers are PADI is unfounded. Its not the agency,and its not always the instructor,but the individual diver themself that can be at fault.
Yes, there are poor Instructors and divers in all Agencies. I believe however, that each Agency has a responsibility to specify training standards for every diving environment. Alternatively, the Agency can allow the instructor to add to "minimum requirements" that have been established by the Agency.
We all want to increase student safety..BUT "encouraged" means one thing and "requirement means something else entirely.I can encourage my wife to go easy on the credit card but can I truly require it?? Student must demonstrate mastery of a skill so that it can be repeated easily. If they can only do a required skill 1 time and cannot repeat it they do not pass.PADI has standards approach. Student either can do the skill in a comfortable, repeatable manner , or they do not pass.
Yes, mastery is required for all the skills listed. This is however, restricted to these specific requirements as no others can be added.
Once a PADI diver is certified in ow there is a statement on their record that says they are certified to dive in conditions similar to what they certified in. PADI encourages area orientations and continue education for the diver.Its up to the individual to choose if diving is for them at that point and to go on to more training.
I would like to see ALL ow certified divers have beyond basic navigation -deep-rescue skills to earn a simple ow certification, but it ain't gonna happen. Its not any agency fault , it is the publics fault. People want to dive NOW, not have to take courses for 3-4 weeks and devote 50-60 hours to get certified to look at the fish. Cost would be prohibitive as you all know this is a business for many of us and the price of a ow course would now easily be 3 to 5 times more than what it is now,thereby eliminating many possible participants.
I agree that many (but not all) members of the public want it as quickly as possible. I'm thankful however, that they don't give out Pilot's Licenses to people with short training courses simply because they want to be licensed quickly... People will pay what they have to pay, if they want to learn. I owned a dive shop and ran 45 hour basic courses when others ran in half-the-time. I still made money. Not as much as I could have made, but my focus wasn't solely on profit.
Oly, my argument can be summed-up simply. If an Instructor doubles the training time, student safety is increased. If an Instructor can't do this, s/he's not much of an Instructor. In reading the thread, other people have commented (as you have) on how OW Diver training can be improved. Why is this not the topic under discussion? If there's a good idea for content, or a unique way of presenting/teaching the material, I'll implement it into my training program immediately. I have the flexibility given by my Agency to do that. Why would another Instructor not wish to improve his program?
I'll also work with other NAUI instructors (and other Agencies) who wish to make a change to Agency standards. NAUI is an organization of Instructors, each having a vote. Personally, I like that. Although not all Agencies have a similar structure, I'd hope that the Instructor cadre (regardless of what Agency it is) would work for improvement and not just hold the corporate line.
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