Is Deep Air / Light Deco (bounce?) Discussible on ScubaBoard?

[MauiScubaSteve]

Yes... I think you guessed it. How else would Halemano justify his uninformed contributions and claim to be authoritative on topics in which he is neither trained, nor experienced.


For the record, I am a 'recreational particle physics expert'... and a 'recreational commercial pilot expert'.
That means I watch 'Big Bang Theory' on TV... and used to play Microsoft Flight Sim when I was a kid.. LMAO.

Please quote my uninformed contributions. Please quote me where I have claimed to be authoritative on topics in which I have neither trained, nor experienced.

Kind of interesting the demarcations between the participants who are still having an adult discussion, the participants who continually try to derail the adult conversation, and then the OP, who is basically only able to defend against childish accusations.

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

...and (as I mentioned explicitly in my last post - which you ignored) neither is it mentioned on the Recreational page.

Please? I only mentioned Adv EANx not being being on the Technical page because you only mentioned Adv EANx not being on the Recreational page. I did not ignore; I propagandized in kind.

 

[Tortuga68]

Kind of interesting the demarcations between the participants who are still having an adult discussion, the participants who continually try to derail the adult conversation, and then the OP, who is basically only able to defend against childish accusations

(psst guys... he's starting to talk about himself in the third person)

 

[VooDooGasMan]

Hale in your post 193 I would add that just opening up Deep Air knowledge will be done by word of mouth from SB to other areas, as in on the dive boat, dive resort, and even over beers at a bar.

 

[gsk3]

Hale in your post 193 I would add that just opening up Deep Air knowledge will be done by word of mouth from SB to other areas, as in on the dive boat, dive resort, and even over beers at a bar.

I'm still curious what this mystical deep secrets of the cult of deep air knowledge is. Things I could think of:
- Gas planning
- Emergency management
- Narcosis management
- Buddy awareness

Funnily enough, that sounds a lot like technical training....

 

[DevonDiver]

gsk3... it is technical training. They just don't want to call it that, because otherwise it wouldn't be an illicit 'secret' that they could cream up in excitement about.

It's just very 'Walter Mitty'.

The whole concept is ludicrous. There's nothing mentioned in this secret 'deep air' nonsense that isn't covered in AN/DP. Hum-drum stuff. Tech101.

Of course, because they aren't qualified to teach AN/DP.. they have to give it a different name and pretend it's something different (i.e. "not tech")... then they get to gloat about how radical and ground-breaking they are. They are, after all, 'recreational diving experts'.

I'm predicting that the next awesome topic of debate will be something like 'deep wreck penetration for recreational divers'. No need to do a 'tech' course. Just learn some special techniques for running lines, some contingency drills for lost line, lost buddy etc... have some redundancy... use 2 or more lights... WHY TAKE A 'TECH' COURSE?.... anyone can penetrate wrecks.... why spend the money with a fraudulent so-called technical diving expert.... when you can the same thing as a recreational diver.... blah blah blah...

 

[VooDooGasMan]

Then why do we have divers die DEEP AIR, I will tell you why again, most divers are not going to do the training and so far there is nothing you can do about it, Air fare, resorts, hotels, charter boats, food. Training is the last thing they even consider. If you want to push your argument, then I will push this again.

One SCUBA certification covers everything, not basic ow so you can dive (Dive agencey's are killing divers cause of it) in todays. PADI certifies the most so they have killed the most out of all dive certs. The facts are out you need more training to become a safe diver, they all set you up to fail in order to profit from you for the next cert card. Thats your way gsk3 and I guess you to devon.

Experience is the way it has been from the start, then books came out that started covering everything, then it was cert classes that took a month and made you do advanced stuff. Now study at home and a weekend, and even now they are not going to teach the RDP.

Dive clubs was where you went and learned with you experienced members, dive clubs now have Instructors to help you and charge you. Dive clubs did skills practice, now you have to go to Dir, Gue, and all the rest.

The world Gets OW certified divers makes there money and all the divers have to deal with all the problems of these new divers, they are not going to take the next class, AOW has a trick you need it to go on dive boats for the advanced diving. and actually they just ask for experience for the most part.

Diver becomes involved at LDS, becomes Instructor, afer a few classes and learns all about Con-Ed and barley puts together AOW or a Rescue. then they quit, all the money all the gear for teaching, PADI wins LDS wins and the only one that losses is people that care about safe diving.

If you think about it are all Diving autopsies made to be heart attacks so not to scare the people away from diving. They are running a scam to make the families feel it was an accident, so more people get certified and get air fare, go to resorts, go on dive charters, eat out at nice places, next day get bent, now hospital bills, or a cargo flight of the dead diver.

So Now I am convinced Diving is a scam to make money on you all the way to your death.

Or Stop acting like Deep air/Bounce Diving is not the way Diving is done everyday, and actually teach it in your classes, Awe, now you can not get them to got to the tech level once there are happy enough at 160' or 180' on air.

If a Diver can not handle it then they need to go helium, or not go deep.

Divings Dangerous

 

[ScubaSteve]

I'm predicting that the next awesome topic of debate will be something like 'deep wreck penetration for recreational divers'. No need to do a 'tech' course. Just learn some special techniques for running lines, some contingency drills for lost line, lost buddy etc... have some redundancy... use 2 or more lights... WHY TAKE A 'TECH' COURSE?.... anyone can penetrate wrecks.... why spend the money with a fraudulent so-called technical diving expert.... when you can the same thing as a recreational diver.... blah blah blah...

Not too far from it
[URL]http://www.padi.com/scuba/padi-courses/technical-courses/view-all-technical-courses/discover-tec-diving/

[/URL]Different but along the same lines....
Discover Rebreather

 

[gsk3]

Then why do we have divers die DEEP AIR, I will tell you why again, most divers are not going to do the training and so far there is nothing you can do about it, Air fare, resorts, hotels, charter boats, food. Training is the last thing they even consider. If you want to push your argument, then I will push this again.

One SCUBA certification covers everything, not basic ow so you can dive (Dive agencey's are killing divers cause of it) in todays. PADI certifies the most so they have killed the most out of all dive certs. The facts are out you need more training to become a safe diver, they all set you up to fail in order to profit from you for the next cert card. Thats your way gsk3 and I guess you to devon.

Experience is the way it has been from the start, then books came out that started covering everything, then it was cert classes that took a month and made you do advanced stuff. Now study at home and a weekend, and even now they are not going to teach the RDP.

Dive clubs was where you went and learned with you experienced members, dive clubs now have Instructors to help you and charge you. Dive clubs did skills practice, now you have to go to Dir, Gue, and all the rest.

The world Gets OW certified divers makes there money and all the divers have to deal with all the problems of these new divers, they are not going to take the next class, AOW has a trick you need it to go on dive boats for the advanced diving. and actually they just ask for experience for the most part.

Diver becomes involved at LDS, becomes Instructor, afer a few classes and learns all about Con-Ed and barley puts together AOW or a Rescue. then they quit, all the money all the gear for teaching, PADI wins LDS wins and the only one that losses is people that care about safe diving.

If you think about it are all Diving autopsies made to be heart attacks so not to scare the people away from diving. They are running a scam to make the families feel it was an accident, so more people get certified and get air fare, go to resorts, go on dive charters, eat out at nice places, next day get bent, now hospital bills, or a cargo flight of the dead diver.

So Now I am convinced Diving is a scam to make money on you all the way to your death.

Or Stop acting like Deep air/Bounce Diving is not the way Diving is done everyday, and actually teach it in your classes, Awe, now you can not get them to got to the tech level once there are happy enough at 160' or 180' on air.

We're at post #208 now and I still can't figure out what you're arguing for. This stuff is already included in DeconDiver's (and every other) technical diving class. And the vast majority of tech diving classes are precisely to those depths (150') on air. It's just that people take the time to learn to do it right. Which seems to be what you're advocating, but it isn't.

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[Adobo]

We're at post #208 now and I still can't figure out what you're arguing for. This stuff is already included in DeconDiver's (and every other) technical diving class. And the vast majority of tech diving classes are precisely to those depths (150') on air. It's just that people take the time to learn to do it right. Which seems to be what you're advocating, but it isn't.

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He wants it to be available in the interwebs. And he wants it to be free. And he wants it tweeked so that it doesn't require helium or anything beyond a single tank.